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I lost two friends in 2017

發言人:Golden, on Jan/08/2018    09:03:20 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 Both of Professor Chan and Professor Fan were Taiwanese; American Citizens; professors of Mechanical Engineering Department (but from different Universities), both of them strongly supported Taiwan. 

Record ID: 1515373400   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jan/08/2018    09:03:41 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 I introduced Professor Fan this forum, he visited this forum, but he never posted any comment. 

Record ID: 1515373400R001   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jan/08/2018    09:04:42 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 I met Professor Chan in Dallas. One day; his families invited two other families and me (I was single at that time) to his home for diner, we found out all of us (4 guys) graduated from 高雄中學(but we were from different cities), then our topic focused on a music teacher who had a very famous (but funny) nick name. 

Record ID: 1515373400R002   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jan/08/2018    09:07:08 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 There are many types of Taiwanese Americans who strongly support Taiwan (from my experience with them in many issues which related to Taiwan), but I just give one example:
Type 1, “Professor Chan's families” type: One day (more than 15 years ago), CNN had a poll which related to Taiwan and China (I forgot the title), I called Professor Chan to go to vote to support Taiwan, Professor Chan's wife answered the phone, she told me that she and her daughter kept re-voting to support Taiwan for the past one hour before I called, I reminded hers to erase the Cooke (of the browser) before each re-voting, otherwise the re-voting would not be counted.
 

Record ID: 1515373400R003   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jan/08/2018    09:07:54 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 Type 2, “5 minutes hot blood” type: The same issue, I called my broth-in-law to go to vote, he told me that he would keep re-voting until the result was in favor of Taiwan (if he had time), but my sister told me that he just did that for 5 minutes. 

Record ID: 1515373400R004   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jan/08/2018    09:09:21 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 Type 3, “Politician” type: The same issue, I called a guy whose families had connection to the top level of 民進黨 (when Abian was President/Major) to go to vote to support Taiwan he said that it was useless to do that, because the result would be in favor of China, I asked him if he could post this issue in 民進黨 homepage to ask Taiwanese to come to vote, he told me to do that myself. I knew that if the issue might let his families to feel that they had power (other people must follow/listen to them) or their names could get attention, they would be very active to do that.


Type 4: Others.
 

Record ID: 1515373400R005   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jan/08/2018    09:10:03 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 The friendship never dies; I can mediate to get very clear images of my friends talking to me as they are still alive. 

Record ID: 1515373400R006   From: 美國

回信 發言人:郭芙, on Jan/08/2018    13:27:30 (IP code: X.X.115.124)
 , I reminded hers to erase the Cooke (of the browser) before each re-voting, otherwise the re-voting would not be counted.
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台湾家庭妇女和台湾loser, 都是他妈的一样的lier
 

Record ID: 1515373400R007   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jan/08/2018    14:46:57 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 郭芙:

Read this "Type 3, “Politician” type: The same issue, I called a guy whose families had connection to the top level of 民進黨 (when Abian was President/Major) to go to vote to support Taiwan he said that it was useless to do that, because the result would be in favor of China,"

Why he thought "the result would be in favor of China"?

I know that you are too stupid to to know the reason, your stupid brain may think because China has more people to vote, wrong; Chinese in China can not come to vote.

Because "very honest" Chinese used robot to vote, but luckily CNN caught " very honest " Chinese cheated that time, CNN canceled the poll and re-opened the same poll again (but CNN stopped "very honest" Chinese to use robot to vote, the result of the poll was in favor of Taiwan.
 

Record ID: 1515373400R008   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jan/08/2018    22:56:00 (IP code: X.X.53.225)
 "very honest" Chinese :

中國經濟數據造假 內蒙灌水4成

中國的經濟數據真實程度一直遭到質疑,但是,根據媒體報導,除了遼寧省、吉林省、黑龍江省自承GDP數據灌水造假之外,內蒙官方也自承2016年工業增加值灌水4成,假帳達人民幣2900億元(約合台幣1.3兆),相當於內蒙古首府呼和浩特當年的GDP總量。
綜合媒體報導,東北三省是被發現在GDP增速、消費和進出口數據都遭嚴重灌水,甚至有些縣市經濟規模做假到「超越」香港,在被北京巡視逮到後,已經坦承造假,其中寧省政府在2017年公開承認該省轄市、縣連續4年數據造假。

另外,包括雲南、雲南、湖南、吉林、重慶4個省份的10個縣市財政收入被逮到虛報人民幣15.49億元(約70億台幣)。自由時報0107
 

Record ID: 1515373400R009   From: 美國

回信 發言人:temo, on Jan/09/2018    11:33:40 (IP code: X.X.158.133)
 Sorry to hear that.

> we found out all of us (4 guys) graduated from 高雄中學
What a coincident!

I bet they are all Christians.
 

Record ID: 1515373400R010   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jan/09/2018    14:44:13 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 none of us is Christian 

Record ID: 1515373400R011   From: 美國

回信 發言人:temo, on Jan/09/2018    15:47:03 (IP code: X.X.158.133)
 I see.
However, that happened to be my impression.
I too met some real Taiwanese when I was in the US, considering their sons who were still in elementary school could speak more fluent and genuine Taiwanese than I did.
But then, I was seriously in lack of practicing.

One of them was even a preacher.
I can hardly forget this one, 'cuz he was trying to convert me.
 

Record ID: 1515373400R012   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Jan/09/2018    15:53:26 (IP code: X.X.158.133)
 Sometimes I can't tell it's the political ideology that bound them or the religion, or simply doesn't matter, since the two tend to enforce each other.

I have to get off line now. Talk to you later.
 

Record ID: 1515373400R013   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:穆卡圖, on Jan/09/2018    21:22:17 (IP code: X.X.123.80)
 同感傷心,但逝者已逝,紀念他們的方式就是永遠記得在一起美好的時光 

Record ID: 1515373400R014   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jan/09/2018    22:44:50 (IP code: X.X.53.225)
 穆卡圖:

You are right about "逝者已逝,紀念他們的方式就是永遠記得在一起美好的時光", I also do "永遠記得在一起美好的時光" with all of my friends who are still alive/may be alive.
 

Record ID: 1515373400R015   From: 美國

回信 發言人:穆卡圖, on Jan/09/2018    23:22:22 (IP code: X.X.123.80)
 你能有這樣志同道合的好朋友,我是很羨慕的,我的最好朋友都是一起長大的,但他們都是國民黨的
我也不知道為什麼,我也曾檢討自己是不是過於反骨,但我就是無法認同國民黨一直撒謊而能執政,
因此到最後都是不歡而散,我的朋友們也不是沒受教育,人也都正直,但他們就是相信國民黨那一套,
所以能失去可信任又有相同信念的朋友真的是非常可惜
 

Record ID: 1515373400R016   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jan/10/2018    07:50:49 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 穆卡圖:

"但我就是無法認同國民黨一直撒謊".
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Same here, I could not stand 國民黨 “brain washing education” which was one of the reasons I left Taiwan to come to US for graduate school.

Friendship is the bridge between people, a good friendship is that you cross the bridge to stand on your friend's side to consider of him/her, not expect your friends cross the bridge to do what you want them to do for you (this type of people called selfish, their first priority is their own benefit, this kind of friendship/bridge can be broken easily, the type 3 case showed above is in this category, so I don't take him/his families as friend)

That is my definition of good friendship, so even I don't like 國民黨 and communists' 黨, I have many friends who are 國民黨員; Chinese from China, even I strongly support Taiwan, I don't like many people of pro-Taiwan camp, I will not take them as friends.

When I meditate to get the clear images of my friends/families including dead people, I feel wonderful, it is one of my sources of happiness.
 

Record ID: 1515373400R017   From: 美國

回信 發言人:temo, on Jan/10/2018    19:01:01 (IP code: X.X.158.133)
 Hi Golden, The way you put it on friendship is quite interesting.

I think the type 2 is more common in the real world.
However,
type 1 is like when you feel "owed", not necessary to that particular friend personally, though.
It's much like paying your bills.
One is supposed to pay his due on a first time basis, without ifs and buts, if he's moral enough.

As for the type 3, the person is opportunistic, or bossiness oriented.
I myself have problem dealing with those too,
especially when I expect that "friend" to play type 1, or at least type 2.




 

Record ID: 1515373400R018   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jan/10/2018    23:40:55 (IP code: X.X.53.225)
 temo:

Remember I told you that I built my own philosophy including philosophy of life. First, I defined the sources of stable happiness ( a good friendship was one of them), I saw the people glued together everyday, but they "back knife" each other, they could not get happiness from friendship, they always felt lonely/unhappy, so they need go out together everyday.
 

Record ID: 1515373400R019   From: 美國

回信 發言人:temo, on Jan/11/2018    10:07:15 (IP code: X.X.158.133)
 I think with type 1 friends, we share the same value.
One works for the value he shares with type 1 friends.

But, to get any thing of value, one has to sacrifice. It's not easy.


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So. You must have built your own political ideology too.
I guess you are leaning to Republican.
 

Record ID: 1515373400R020   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jan/11/2018    15:43:38 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 No, "political region" is the source of unhappiness, it is the region of "power struggle". Do you think those politicians have "political ideology"?
Do you think those people do the "power struggle" to gain power are happy? they are under stress even they get the power.
 

Record ID: 1515373400R021   From: 美國

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