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破解一盤象棋殘局

發言人:迷圓周率, on Nov/29/2018    08:56:43 (IP code: X.X.101.175)
 紅先 紅勝

 

Record ID: 1543453003   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:迷圓周率, on Nov/29/2018    08:57:31 (IP code: X.X.101.175)
 這殘局有相當的難度,我估計能解的人,萬中選一.
如果有人拿這盤殘局叫我解,我也解不出.

我之所以能解,因為是我排出來的.
 

Record ID: 1543453003R001   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:迷圓周率, on Nov/29/2018    09:07:39 (IP code: X.X.101.175)
 絕大部分高難度的殘局,都是人為安排出來的.

你不會,你沒興趣,你沒時間,你不屑完這個殘局,ok.

你可以玩其他的,電玩,職場競爭,情場得意,生意賺錢,夾娃娃,...都ok.

其實也都是人為安排出來的.

如果你是排局的人,那還好,如果你是入局的人,就累了.
 

Record ID: 1543453003R002   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Golden, on Nov/29/2018    09:12:07 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 迷圓周率:

I can 解出
 

Record ID: 1543453003R003   From: 美國

回信 發言人:迷圓周率, on Nov/29/2018    09:17:37 (IP code: X.X.101.175)
 解象棋殘局,或是說排出有難度有趣味性的殘局,除了訓練思考之外,還可以模擬人生起伏,世道險惡,絕處逢生.

而這一切,只要一個棋盤,32個子,如果有棋書棋譜,電腦輔助,就可以馳騁無限想像空間了.
 

Record ID: 1543453003R004   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Golden, on Nov/29/2018    09:26:59 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 "Pau" 8 advances 1, "black car" 3 moves back 1, "Pau" moves from 1 to 7, "black elephant" 9 to 7, "red elephant " 7 to 5, "black elephant" 7 to 9, "Pau" 7 moves back 6, "black elephant" 9 to 7, "Pau" 7 to 5 to win 

Record ID: 1543453003R005   From: 美國

回信 發言人:迷圓周率, on Nov/29/2018    09:27:14 (IP code: X.X.101.175)
 AI 人工智慧是很厲害,尤其是下圍棋,大概人類已經輸定.

但是像這種人為排的象棋殘局,AI人工智慧的軟體,如果沒有輸入解過的棋譜,真能在很短時間接出?

在現實人生中,人為排的局,處處都是,股市,職場,政壇,...人與人之間的競爭,靠AI人工智慧的軟體,能贏嗎?
 

Record ID: 1543453003R006   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:迷圓周率, on Nov/29/2018    09:31:03 (IP code: X.X.101.175)
 Golden BIG BIG ,

你超強!
 

Record ID: 1543453003R007   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:迷圓周率, on Nov/29/2018    09:34:53 (IP code: X.X.101.175)
 >股市

我知道已經有AI人工智慧的軟體,來操作下單賣單.

只是我不確定績效如何,能贏嗎?
 

Record ID: 1543453003R008   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:辯證謬誤, on Nov/29/2018    09:48:00 (IP code: X.X.225.49)
 R005,沒有贏吧。 

Record ID: 1543453003R009   From: 美國

回信 發言人:拼立委雙方不過半, on Nov/29/2018    10:07:02 (IP code: X.X.244.240)
 現在防國民黨2020年上台又發生流血!!!!!!!!!!!!!

歷史重演可怕流血!!!!!!

太陽花暴力 流血驅離 還原現場
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXainPv4Y9s

抗議學生林冠華「自殺身亡」 反課綱夜攻教育部

https://www.chinatimes.com/newspapers/20150731000400-260102

民進黨立委快修憲法公民複決法的內容,公民可以複決立委,立的法案,

人民複決係指人民親自投票同意或否決憲法修正案,或立法機關所議決之法律草案。
 

Record ID: 1543453003R010   From: 塞席爾

回信 發言人:迷圓周率, on Nov/29/2018    12:41:42 (IP code: X.X.101.175)
 >R005

紅勝!
 

Record ID: 1543453003R011   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Nov/29/2018    12:45:04 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
 迷桑, please =>
http://www.1949er.org/chat/index.php?sole+1543458532
 

Record ID: 1543453003R012   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:迷圓周率, on Nov/29/2018    12:48:48 (IP code: X.X.101.175)
 如果紅相不能當砲架了,如下,

紅先 紅勝

 

Record ID: 1543453003R013   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Nov/29/2018    12:51:00 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
 >我之所以能解,因為是我排出來的.

噗, 臭談吧?
你講 "萬中選一" 是由有名的軟體高手所鑑定的, 那還差不多.

可能解答都會有問題. 不要讓大家白忙了!
 

Record ID: 1543453003R014   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:迷圓周率, on Nov/29/2018    12:52:12 (IP code: X.X.101.175)
 R012

搜尋不到.
 

Record ID: 1543453003R015   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:迷圓周率, on Nov/29/2018    12:54:55 (IP code: X.X.101.175)
 temo 大大,

我想學"賣菜郎",畫虎類犬,見笑了.
 

Record ID: 1543453003R016   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Nov/29/2018    13:03:28 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
 Just take it easy, and do it again, 迷桑. Hope you are not kidding me.
 

Record ID: 1543453003R017   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Nov/29/2018    13:29:17 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
 沒錯, 那欄有點名. 別客氣.

有發生一點點錯亂, 我其實是希望你看這裡, 有給你的相關回應. Please.
http://www.1949er.org/chat/index.php?sole+1543375559R008
 

Record ID: 1543453003R018   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Nov/29/2018    14:08:37 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
 >Golden BIG BIG ,

>你超強!

那有那麼快? :-O

都還沒有看懂...
GOLDEN 桑這步沒有問題啊?

> "Pau" moves from 1 to 7,
 

Record ID: 1543453003R019   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Golden, on Nov/29/2018    14:25:44 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 迷圓周率:

You should be proud of yourself, because you can do at least two things which AI can't do:
1. You can think to 排殘局, AI can't.
2. You can enjoy the beauty of flowers, AI can't even tell if the flower is pretty or not, not mention "enjoy".
 

Record ID: 1543453003R020   From: 美國

回信 發言人:temo, on Nov/29/2018    14:31:03 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
 >1. You can think to 排殘局, AI can't.

AI can do 排殘局, just can't enjoy doing that. ^^ Am I right?
 

Record ID: 1543453003R021   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Golden, on Nov/29/2018    14:33:29 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 temo:

If "black car" 3 to 2 to take "Pau", then the other "Pau" 7 advances 3, Black side can't stop "Pau" 7 to 5 to win.
 

Record ID: 1543453003R022   From: 美國

回信 發言人:temo, on Nov/29/2018    14:33:43 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
 Which means 迷桑 is a strong-AI entity. ^^ 

Record ID: 1543453003R023   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Golden, on Nov/29/2018    14:41:15 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 temo:

AI can't 排殘局, because AI does not have "creative capability", just look at 殘局, it can't happen in a normal game,
 

Record ID: 1543453003R024   From: 美國

回信 發言人:temo, on Nov/29/2018    14:44:12 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
 022, O.K. I get it, finally. That's smart, coming from behind.
I think you did that before.

Let me ask you a question: Are you left-handed?
 

Record ID: 1543453003R025   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Nov/29/2018    14:47:19 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
 024, I don't know what do you mean.
You think AI can take only "normal" game? Most likely: Not so.
 

Record ID: 1543453003R026   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Nov/29/2018    14:53:06 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
 Remember the AlphaGo showdown?
After the deciding defeat, Chinese Human players (among them, even Masters) tried to imitate AlphaGO's "abnormal" moves.
 

Record ID: 1543453003R027   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Golden, on Nov/29/2018    14:53:53 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 temo:

Are you left-handed?
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No
 

Record ID: 1543453003R028   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Nov/29/2018    15:01:51 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 temo:

" 024, I don't know what do you mean.
You think AI can take only "normal" game? Most likely: Not so."
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No,that is not what I mean "AI can't 排殘局", if you give AI a 殘局, AI can play, but AI can't think of "to make that 殘局", AI does not have "creative capability".
 

Record ID: 1543453003R029   From: 美國

回信 發言人:temo, on Nov/29/2018    15:14:37 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
 O.K. I'll try to figure that out.

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028,
I see you seem to "hack" 迷桑's game pretty well. ^^
 

Record ID: 1543453003R030   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Golden, on Nov/29/2018    15:41:06 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 temo:

028,
I see you seem to "hack" 迷桑's game pretty well. ^^
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迷圓周率 can " think deeply " very well, I hope he can apply this skill to "problem solving" and help Taiwan, Taiwan has big problem now, I see many people can't see the problem and suggest/demand something (to government) which will create more problem.
 

Record ID: 1543453003R031   From: 美國

回信 發言人:temo, on Nov/29/2018    15:52:06 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
 迷桑 does have Proposed something.
But it turns out to be really a lousy solution, IMO.
 

Record ID: 1543453003R032   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Nov/29/2018    15:53:35 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
 I got to take a break.
See you later, and very nice to have a chat with you, Golden 桑.
 

Record ID: 1543453003R033   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Nov/29/2018    17:41:07 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
 He proposed to elect KO the President. Can you believe that?

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所以 013 是障眼法嗎?

殘局大師迷桑果然精於算計. 好在解得快, 不然若沒事去參考 013, 那就可能被耍了 -- 和紅相根本無關啊.
 

Record ID: 1543453003R034   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:迷圓周率, on Nov/29/2018    18:52:37 (IP code: X.X.101.175)
  >He proposed to elect KO the President. 

This is what I see at this moment for 2020 presidential election,the odds of winning is optimal.

Do not forget there is only 15 months away.

And do not forget it takes lots of correct steps on the way like solving a chess endgame.
 

Record ID: 1543453003R035   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Nov/29/2018    19:06:52 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
 That's foolish. That'll destroy the very integrity of a Party.

Let's not talk about it any more.
I don't think it's a good idea to argue this with a foreign resident.

I have to go now. See you. And good night.
 

Record ID: 1543453003R036   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:迷圓周率, on Nov/29/2018    19:12:23 (IP code: X.X.101.175)
 One more word...

Just today, the dismal of GM ms.Wu is the first step.
 

Record ID: 1543453003R037   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Nov/30/2018    09:57:40 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
 >Just today, the dismal of GM ms.Wu is the first step.

For what and to where? Doesn't make sense to me.
 

Record ID: 1543453003R038   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Nov/30/2018    10:12:05 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
 >After the deciding defeat, Chinese Human players (among them, even Masters) tried to imitate AlphaGO's "abnormal" moves.

However, I must add, they are bound to fail.

Those young Cina masters just think it's cool to do, yet those "abnormal" moves by AlphaGo are really backed up by its unhuman super computing power. Without the kind of computing power, human players are simply not able to carry out that kind of moves.

The teacher of those Masters once called those moves played by his students (1 of them ranked world No.1) out of the imitation "sick!" ("臭棋" in Chinese). I think he is a wise man, 聶衛平.
 

Record ID: 1543453003R039   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Nov/30/2018    10:17:08 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
 >Those young Cina masters just think it's cool to do

Its only use is probably to scare the opponent, for the time being.
 

Record ID: 1543453003R040   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Nov/30/2018    10:21:14 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
 >Do not forget there is only 15 months away.

Right. Thanks for reminding.

So. It's in fact not much a "mid-term election", the one we just had, at least in the American sense.
 

Record ID: 1543453003R041   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Nov/30/2018    11:30:26 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
 嗨 欄主, 這少年的 要搬去你們那裏. 請多照顧. ^^

"基進黨年輕戰將陳柏惟2018九合一選舉前,因為嗆「韓國瑜若當選」他就要搬離高雄一一夕爆紅,部份網友還封他是抗韓戰將、抗韓先鋒。如今韓國瑜成功當選了高雄市長,陳柏惟就立刻兌現當初的承諾,26日他就前往屏東找房子準備搬家,但他也強調自己一定會再回到高雄的。"

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Record ID: 1543453003R042   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Nov/30/2018    19:47:35 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
 我了解為何迷桑要"偷偷"告訴, 因為你本來不是要投這個 (議員部分).
You changed your mind/choice after a chat with other voter of the same district. ^^

沒甚麼. It's perfectly O.K. to freely choose your favorite candidate.
 

Record ID: 1543453003R043   From: 台灣

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