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初選民調,賴清德堅持藍綠一對一,沒承諾不選

發言人:阿奇, on May/22/2019    02:50:48 (IP code: X.X.50.218)
 英德之爭》民進黨總統初選共識未成:賴清德堅持藍綠一對一,蔡英文主張三角督

https://tw.news.yahoo.com/英德之爭-民進黨總統初選共識未成-賴清德堅持藍綠-對-蔡英文主張三角督-165051296.html

納入柯文哲 藍總統初選對比民調採三腳督
https://www.chinatimes.com/realtimenews/20190521003435-260407?chdtv

賴清德堅持藍綠-對- ? 赖清德的堅持?他的堅持,都是不切實際,只是自私的。(小英當然也自私,但至少主張比較務實的).

我當然偏小英,但挑戰者應有不管你怎麽民調我都是赢,才能是"造反"有正當性。將心比心,我如果提拔一位副手,他像赖清德一樣從背後開槍。我會比蔡反應激烈多多了, 一定是乎死好。

笑小英無法軟弱對抗中國,但你却無法無能對抗小英,要我們選你當總統?

沒承諾不選,哭訴媒體,只是讓人看笑話。




 

Record ID: 1558464648   From: 美國

回信 發言人:阿奇, on May/22/2019    02:51:17 (IP code: X.X.50.218)
 我不是民進黨員,是不是像一直告到最高法院一樣。
協調 --> 中執委會 --> 全代會?
 

Record ID: 1558464648R001   From: 美國

回信 發言人:阿奇, on May/22/2019    02:56:45 (IP code: X.X.50.218)
 當了總統向统媒哭訴中國打壓,不按规则出牌?  

Record ID: 1558464648R002   From: 美國

回信 發言人:patric, on May/22/2019    03:00:30 (IP code: X.X.223.161)
 完全認同阿奇
就像韓國瑜 無論民調怎麼做一定贏
才有出來正當性
如果韓國瑜在那邊ggyy計較民調方式
早就被叫回去顧好你的高雄了!
 

Record ID: 1558464648R003   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:tyl, on May/22/2019    03:08:03 (IP code: X.X.114.40)
  +1 

Record ID: 1558464648R004   From: 美國

回信 發言人:阿奇, on May/22/2019    04:23:48 (IP code: X.X.50.218)
 同樣道理,小英把持國家機器,又當民進黨主席多年,如果連一個赖清德都收拾不了,讓賴清德赢了初選。那我們也不用指望小英可以帶領我們到那裡去了。如果小英輸了,就退了吧, 永遠!
 

Record ID: 1558464648R005   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Big nasty looker, on May/22/2019    04:45:44 (IP code: X.X.147.104)
 >>> 當了總統向统媒哭訴中國打壓

你是說蔡英文的民進黨就跟像是中國一般?

呵呵,受教了。
 

Record ID: 1558464648R006   From: 美國

回信 發言人:阿奇, on May/22/2019    04:57:02 (IP code: X.X.50.218)
 以前没錯,蔡英文現在醒悟了,開始有動作,所以民調回升。再怎麼說都比向中國交心,爭著要當"第一奴才"的藍營奴才們好太多了。  

Record ID: 1558464648R007   From: 美國

回信 發言人:大機車, on May/22/2019    06:17:00 (IP code: X.X.85.127)
 >>我如果提拔一位副手,他像赖清德一樣從背後開槍。

對對對,這種情形常見,但是當長官的,還能朝部屬的背後開槍,這就不簡單了。比如,管案,院長一直堅持程序正義,不同意,但是呢,在長官越級指示下,葉俊榮越過院長,向院長的長官報告,兩人交談後同意任命管..然後立即向媒體公布,賴清德一臉矇逼...被耍了...

台灣最高學府的校長,竟然是中國代理人,而連袂放水的,竟是我國最高公務員與教育部長聯手?總統的職權是外交與國防,怎會管起教育部的事?這種破壞憲政體制的事都無所謂了,還管你甚麼黨內初選或不初選?時程算個屁,習大大之後就我最大啦...
 

Record ID: 1558464648R008   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:大機車, on May/22/2019    06:23:28 (IP code: X.X.85.127)
 英派網軍每天靠此胡說八道的,月入百萬真好賺,大家都看在眼裡...洗腦還能洗成這樣,不簡單...如果最後初選,被網軍洗成小英獲勝,台灣也就差不多了,因為選民程度只有這樣,英派網軍可以洗,共產黨網軍不能洗?當然更可以,台灣就被洗沒了...

華為手機竟然在台灣市佔第三,嗯,所有台灣人的個資,各地敏感軍事周邊,我看都被程式後門自動開啟鏡頭私錄,該傳去中國早就傳去了,我們的防空飛彈陣地還有機敏可言?座標方位對方都知道了,靠的就是華為,小英政府管不管呢?哼哼,管中閔都能同意,華為繼續在台灣大賣,有何不可呢?
 

Record ID: 1558464648R009   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:大機車, on May/22/2019    06:25:43 (IP code: X.X.85.127)
 馬英九這賣國賊,化獨漸統導致今天我們想進去WHO要中國同意...他羞辱前總統陳水扁...同黨小英到現在還視而不見....她不是國民黨2.0,誰是? 

Record ID: 1558464648R010   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:阿奇, on May/22/2019    06:26:46 (IP code: X.X.50.218)
 r008,

>>管案,院長一直堅持程序正義,不同意,但是呢,在長官越級指示下,葉俊榮越過院長,向院長的長官報告,兩人交談後同意任命管..然後立即向媒體公布,賴清德一臉矇逼...被耍了...

賴清德証實你說的?來源?
 

Record ID: 1558464648R011   From: 美國

回信 發言人:阿奇, on May/22/2019    06:35:27 (IP code: X.X.50.218)
 支持大機車選總統。 

Record ID: 1558464648R012   From: 美國

回信 發言人:大機車, on May/22/2019    06:36:38 (IP code: X.X.85.127)
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evoblFa1C4U

大家看看吧...

民進黨總統初選昨(21日)再度協調,但在民調對象、手機比例及日期上皆無共識,黨主席卓榮泰擬在明中執會上,提出黨中央版本,也就是五月底展開初選全民調,但卻傳出英派恐讓此案被否決...

小英在怕甚麼?難道是網軍愈洗愈黑?自己做過的事,做錯的,不是靠洗就看不見,凡走過必留下痕跡,大家都看到了,綠民沒那麼笨...又不是腦殘藍營...
 

Record ID: 1558464648R013   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:大機車, on May/22/2019    06:40:53 (IP code: X.X.85.127)
 阿奇洗版護航到自己心都虛了...

我叫做大機巴,我不會選總統...我就是很機巴,怎樣?看到你們這種假掰人就很賭懶...
 

Record ID: 1558464648R014   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Ok, on May/22/2019    06:40:56 (IP code: X.X.119.68)
 某些人開欄的目的就是要民進黨的支持者亙打,大家不要被騙而亙相攻擊,導至票投給他人!記住不管誰出線,大家一起來支持就是了! 

Record ID: 1558464648R015   From: 紐西蘭

回信 發言人:阿奇, on May/22/2019    06:42:08 (IP code: X.X.50.218)
 >>綠民沒那麼笨

在你心裡,綠民沒那麼笨,但非常笨 ?
 

Record ID: 1558464648R016   From: 美國

回信 發言人:大機車, on May/22/2019    06:42:36 (IP code: X.X.85.127)
 >>某些人開欄的目的就是要民進黨的支持者亙打

來自對面豬國的五毛是這樣沒錯,但是內部爭論也要有是非,大家不能當鄉愿...講假話的該批,要痛批...
 

Record ID: 1558464648R017   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Golden, on May/22/2019    06:43:41 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 阿奇:

Report R008 to 挖地雷, if it fits "假消息的傳遞", then 挖地雷 will block that idiot.
 

Record ID: 1558464648R018   From: 美國

回信 發言人:阿奇, on May/22/2019    06:44:36 (IP code: X.X.50.218)
 >>阿奇洗版護航到自己心都虛了...

真的太自戀了!我認輸,大機車萬歲!
 

Record ID: 1558464648R019   From: 美國

回信 發言人:大機車, on May/22/2019    06:45:55 (IP code: X.X.85.127)
 小英有沒有堅守台灣主權?當然有,持平講是這樣,但是做得不夠...台灣到處被滲透,你做為元首或想連任,要拿出更積極的手段,去爭取選民支持,不是靠打賴清德或扭曲初選來連任的...

小英網軍請滾出外獨...
 

Record ID: 1558464648R020   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:大機車, on May/22/2019    06:48:48 (IP code: X.X.85.127)
 認輸,就趕緊滾,否則沒績效,你在外獨把小英愈抹愈黑,下月就被解雇...陳菊這批人很現實也很實際... 

Record ID: 1558464648R021   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:阿奇, on May/22/2019    06:51:32 (IP code: X.X.50.218)
 >>小英網軍請滾出外獨...

你聰明絕頂,都算你對。這件事你錯了。

我不是,所以不理你!
 

Record ID: 1558464648R022   From: 美國

回信 發言人:阿奇, on May/22/2019    06:53:44 (IP code: X.X.50.218)
 真的太自戀了!不回你了。 

Record ID: 1558464648R023   From: 美國

回信 發言人:阿奇, on May/22/2019    07:00:27 (IP code: X.X.50.218)
 Golden,
Thank you. It is not necessary.
 

Record ID: 1558464648R024   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on May/22/2019    07:07:02 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 阿奇:

Yes, it is important, 挖地雷 treats "傳遞假消息 " very seriously, he will block that idiot.
 

Record ID: 1558464648R025   From: 美國

回信 發言人:森林, on May/22/2019    07:07:51 (IP code: X.X.191.191)
 大機車應該是在龍發堂上網 

Record ID: 1558464648R026   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:阿奇, on May/22/2019    07:11:44 (IP code: X.X.50.218)
 Golden,
It is just hard for me to "report someone" even I know I should.
 

Record ID: 1558464648R027   From: 美國

回信 發言人:youhan, on May/22/2019    10:50:31 (IP code: X.X.123.35)
 提拔?你真的是混美國的嗎?金孫2016就想要搶大位,要靠菜提拔嗎?辜寬敏要靠菜提拔?賴要靠菜提拔?那還叫台獨金孫?

我想當行政院長過個水 擴充勢力,你想找我滅一例一休的火,這叫提拔?

我想賺錢去當我老闆員工,我老闆找我來解決問題,這叫提拔
我去當你阿奇手下,那叫提拔?你真的是混美國的?美國的中國城?

漢語大辭典,提拔,挑选人员使担任更重要的职务

果然是提拔,謝謝你教了我們重要的一課
這提拔跟我原來想的意義不太一樣,你中文程度不錯

背後開槍?昨天菜自己就承認,菜當時有問,賴沒有答了(?),那就是沒承諾了,光明正大去登記,那來背後開槍

所謂連任優先是政黨裡的默契,不好聽叫搓圓仔湯,不具任何正當性,除非你光明正大把它寫進規則,但這樣就沒有年輕人要加入你這個政黨,老人卡位到死嘛
剩下一堆就不提了,你真的是混美國的?
滿腦子中國思想,我看你很像美國的琳達

住美國沒用,郭芙在美國打拼了半輩子,仍然脫不了中國的民族大義
 

Record ID: 1558464648R028   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:阿奇, on May/22/2019    11:31:31 (IP code: X.X.29.140)
 有人抹黑我是網軍。有人不喜歡我用提拔两字,暗指我是中國人。支持賴清德的,現在連喊口號都省了。抹黑我一個無名小子?請開個欄批評蔡英文或宣傳一下賴清德比較有用啦。駡我或抹黑我只是浪費時間,沒效啦。 

Record ID: 1558464648R029   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on May/22/2019    17:05:02 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 阿奇:

R029, when you move back to Taiwan, that is what you will face in your daily life:"some were brainwashed by 中國國民黨, some were brainwashed by 政經, some...", come to post your opinion everyday before 挖地雷 closes this forum, you will learn how to deal with those people before you move back to Taiwan.
 

Record ID: 1558464648R030   From: 美國

回信 發言人:youhan, on May/22/2019    17:15:23 (IP code: X.X.123.35)
 不要這麽敏感,我不是感謝你用提拔用的很對了,我沒有暗指你是中國人啊,我只是說你充滿中國思想,三十歲以前的我也是認為自己是堂堂正正的中國人,滿滿的中國價值,前幾天你才很高興的說和我交流,我才花時間寫回文給你,很累的耶

開欄宣傳?我才沒這麼閒吶,癩皮又沒有給我好處,純粹只是對菜八婆極度不爽而已,我已沒把握癩皮吃了權力春藥後,會不會像菜巴婆一樣重蹈屎缸一狼之路,已經被菜巴婆騙了一次,不想被騙第二次

前幾個月在Disp和腦殘蝌粉火戰,被腦殘蝌粉說我們這些支持民進黨是綠共,覺得很不爽,現在想想,哈,還真像
 

Record ID: 1558464648R031   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:youhan, on May/22/2019    17:17:26 (IP code: X.X.123.35)
 你看,上面又有個綠共說我被歪經洗腦了 

Record ID: 1558464648R032   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Golden, on May/22/2019    17:27:38 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 R031:
"...三十歲以前的我也是認為自己是堂堂正正的中國人,滿滿的中國價值..."
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You have admitted that you were brainwashed by 中國國民黨.
 

Record ID: 1558464648R033   From: 美國

回信 發言人:youhan, on May/22/2019    17:33:08 (IP code: X.X.123.35)
 那有什麽好奇怪的,總比菜巴婆四十幾歲還在說自己讀中國書,是中國人好 

Record ID: 1558464648R034   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Golden, on May/22/2019    21:25:33 (IP code: X.X.53.63)
 R034:
"那有什麽好奇怪的,...."
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Ya, same as 郭倍宏(the boss of your favor show):

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%83%AD%E5%80%8D%E5%AE%8F
郭倍宏
维基百科,自由的百科全书

...
...
早期
郭倍宏出身於台南市,台南一中畢業,大學時就讀國立台灣大學土木工程系,大三時曾擔任台大土木工程系學會會長,1977年畢業。服役時入陸軍工兵學校受訓,為第廿七期預備軍官。1980年10月赴美國留學,1981年入北卡羅來納州立大學攻讀土木工程碩士。郭倍宏在高中時期曾加入中國國民黨,並曾為司法行政部調查局線民監視校內團體
;然而1979年高雄市發生美麗島事件,使他對國民黨有了重大改觀。

郭倍宏的阿姨丁窈窕在臺灣白色恐怖時期的1956年被槍決[2]。作家林文義所著的書《菅芒離土:郭倍宏傳奇》於1989年發行初版時也記載郭倍宏有「校園特務半年」資歷,但1993年發行新版時刪除「校園特務半年」一詞[3]。前法務部調查局調查員白瑄所編寫的書《全民公敵調查局》認為,《菅芒離土:郭倍宏傳奇》1993年版顯然是郭倍宏親自重新校稿的版本,「刻意更改原始文件,幾近於偽造文書」[4]

美國時期
1981年郭倍宏到北卡羅來納州立大學時即因被「中國同學會」接去而參加其活動,在美國目睹中國同學會的惡行惡狀。1982年北卡州大改選中國同學會會長,郭倍宏參選卻遭到國民黨耳語攻擊,憤而退選
。...
...
 

Record ID: 1558464648R035   From: 美國

回信 發言人:阿奇, on May/23/2019    00:16:18 (IP code: X.X.50.218)
 Golden,
謝謝你的關心。我的思考方向是每個人都有自己的想法,不必也不可以大家完全一樣。我不必是駡赢的一方,對我來說没意義。
我會回台灣退休,我也知道台灣社會文化有很多我會不喜歡的,但畢竟是我出生長大的地方。沒法割捨的感情。
 

Record ID: 1558464648R036   From: 美國

回信 發言人:youhan, on May/23/2019    00:30:30 (IP code: X.X.123.35)
 這位綠共R035,我的三十歲前中國人論,不就表示我根本不在乎年輕時期的人的經歷,年少無知,被吸引去做一些怪事很正常,更何況當時加入國民黨或為國民黨作事可能是光宗耀祖,引以為榮的事,當時黨就是國,報效國家嘛,但隨著社會經歷增長,見識漸開,開始自我覺醒,真正的自我認知才會出來,那才是能真正代表一個人,所以你貼的這個對我來講是垃圾,一點意義都沒有,更何況我八百年前就看過了,有點污辱我,我是不會google嗎?
,你的邏輯能力這麽弱,我開始懷疑你真的懂量子力學嗎?還是你年紀大了,腦筋退化了,還是你其實是貼給其他網友看的
郭信宏給我的信賴感也不會超過賴皮

但菜巴婆就不一樣了,四十幾歲,又出國留學,又是專門搞兩國論這種政治思想的,個人見識應早就開了,應該早就覺醒了,她四十幾歲的認知是她錯誤的認知的機率低的可憐,但我在她不說"賴出線則支持"前都相信她只是中國壓力所以有那些反台獨的作為,最近她的一連串作為只能證明了,那應該是她真正的認知,所以她對我而言只是另一個國民黨

歪經也不是我最愛看的,我媽看冥視連續劇,搖控器在我媽手中,我幾乎沒在看八點的政論節目,就算有,也是看三粒,素懶教的,男人嘛,或者韓天台的,看他們講什麽民進黨的壞話,看歪經一個禮拜不會超過十分鐘,只有打柯文哲器官案期間比較多,印象中什麽批評都有
我也不會想要去跟你說什麽,浪費時間,第一無趣,第二,我認為你只是拿人手短,吃人嘴軟,任何對話改變不了什麽 ,要睡了,不再回應
 

Record ID: 1558464648R037   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Golden, on May/23/2019    01:11:10 (IP code: X.X.53.63)
 R038:

Let me teach you the basic 邏輯: if you want to prove that I have no 邏輯能力, then you just need point out my arguments are illogical , if you want to prove that I don't understand 量子力學, you just need prove any of my explanation of 量子力學(I posted those explanation almost everyday for two weeks and kept them for more than a month) was wrong, but you could not, because you did not know what was 邏輯, what was 量子力學.

You have admitted that you were brainwashed by 中國國民黨, this fact implied that you were brainwashed easily. If you could improve your logical thinking , you might change it(like many people did), but you did not.

 

Record ID: 1558464648R038   From: 美國

回信 發言人:阿奇, on May/23/2019    02:48:46 (IP code: X.X.50.218)
 Golden,

Personally I have no idea what quantum mechanics is. I can "imagine" [quantum entanglement] only. But I know it is extremely hard.

My niece who graduated from Caltech is working in SpaceX (employee number less than 200) now. She actually involves in designing the rocket. She is a director and leads over 60 engineers from those top schools like Mit,Stanford...etc. But I know she was struggling in "quantum mechanics" classes when she was in Caltech.

You are good !!!!


 

Record ID: 1558464648R039   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on May/23/2019    04:14:11 (IP code: X.X.53.63)
 阿奇:

Thank you for your compliment, I liked to think since I was in elementary school, I was very good at any subject which required thinking (physics/chemistry/philosophy/logic/problem solving/troubleshooting...etc), but I can only keep "thinking" as my habit (you know that a good scientist is alway poor), I pickup technology very fast(I have already worked in five different jobs in five different fields) to survive, I can do/know many things in many different fields you can't image.(If I have chance I will tell you more about life).

Ignore R037, if I show you what he said about me and you compare those to R039, you will not believe they were/are from the same person.

We Taiwanese American are very proud of your niece.
 

Record ID: 1558464648R040   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on May/23/2019    04:20:40 (IP code: X.X.53.63)
 sorry, compare those(statements) to R037 

Record ID: 1558464648R041   From: 美國

回信 發言人:youhan, on May/23/2019    12:25:27 (IP code: X.X.123.35)
 哈哈,我支那國王(穆卡圖)明人不做暗事,開大門走大路,不怕檢驗,阿奇,如果你真的不是網軍的話,我強烈建議你蒐尋有關我跟這位綠共的對話,你也會發現綠共先生以前對我說的和現在對我說的,竟是同一個人,你可以叫這位綠共先生儘量貼上來

這就是我對你說的,原本我以為這些人是一起為台灣打拼的同志,在北市提名人選後就發現這些人有問題,真相留待你去發掘

其實更快的方法是發誓,你可以叫這位綠共先生發誓他沒有從菜英文有關組織收到好處(一些世俗送禮,人情世故除外)
,你要我相信你不是網軍也是同樣發誓,我以身作則,

神明,媽祖在上,我(youhan帳號使用人)或我二等親家人(父母,子女)沒有從任何組織收到金錢利益或好處(世俗送禮 人情世故如白包除外),如果有的話,我全家死光光,我被五雷轟頂而死
以上
我上外獨,以前是一股熱誠,現在只是好完,看看一些人前言不對後語,在那拼命補網的窘態,有時看能不能吸收到一點知識
 

Record ID: 1558464648R042   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:youhan, on May/23/2019    12:27:33 (IP code: X.X.123.35)
 更正,好玩 

Record ID: 1558464648R043   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Golden, on May/23/2019    21:23:16 (IP code: X.X.53.63)
 Brainwashing makes the victims to believe “black is white, truth is false”,
The brainwashed products may have some side effects:

1. Have hallucination: imaging something which can not exist.
2. Lost partial memory including something is danger.
3. Have selective blindness: don't see something they don't want to see.
4. Be insecure: need change name/address/… frequently.
5. Others.
 

Record ID: 1558464648R044   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on May/24/2019    11:08:28 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 Examples of 2. Lost partial memory including something is danger:

R024 of “外獨會意見交流”存在的目的是什麼?
http://www.1949er.org/chat/index.php?read+1515634365

回信 發言人:支那國王, on Jan/11/2018 17:07:06 (IP code: X.X.123.80)

哈.哈,PLAN,早跟你講我是不敢挑戰Golden的,Goden老奸巨猾,挖了個陷阱給你跳,你真的跳了


Record ID: 1515634365R024 From: 台灣



And

穆卡圖:Golden,你不用跟PLAN浪費時間啦,PLAN是連基本高中物理測不準原理uncertainty principle都能隨便亂扯的人.

穆卡圖:PLAN,我也很佩服你常識很豐富,但你真的是惹錯人了,我是不敢挑戰Golden的,我也勸你不要自取其辱,不然要不要和我比較一下電子學.

 

Record ID: 1558464648R045   From: 美國

回信 發言人:youhan, on May/24/2019    19:41:40 (IP code: X.X.123.35)
 這有什麽,綠共先生,在北市長提名之前,還沒有拆穿你們這些被菜巴婆收買的菜奴,那時認為你是一起為台灣奮鬥的伙伴,伙伴之間我是不會計較誰優誰劣的,我也說過老沈當然勝過我,志同道合的話,叫你老大也可以,話說回來,世界上比我厲害的人多的是,我那裡會在乎什麽強弱,沒啥意義
你真的有厲害到危險嗎?早說過我對量子力學沒什麼興趣,也沒學過,除非你貼文都貼量子力學,或什麽高能物理之類的,我僅有大學畢業,自然不會傻得去挑戰你,但其他方面,你就等著看吧

再說,學了量子力學就以為高人一等可以目空一切嗎?沒了人格,就算你是愛因斯坦再世又有何用,除了金錢利益,誰會理你,你就繼續孤芳自賞,像你前面第四點暗示我被人洗腦,像你這樣只會拿斷章取義的貼文意圖醜化意見不同的人,只會讓我愈來愈鄙視你

像你前文第4點以name暗指網名來說我被人洗腦,我取網名多是喜劇電影主角之名,換網名只是同個角色久了就沒什麽趣味,跟不安全感根本扯不上邊,我昨天就看到了,我只是不想對號入座,又沒什麽時間寫回文,認為中立網友會自行判斷,又覺得你耍這種不入流的手段,懶得理你而已
想要別人信服你,先發誓你和菜巴婆之間沒有利益關係吧,不然別人只會認為你只是為自己的利益說話 那裡是為了台灣,為了自由公平正義
 

Record ID: 1558464648R046   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:阿奇, on May/25/2019    01:58:59 (IP code: X.X.50.218)
 r046,

神明,媽祖在上,我(阿奇帳號使用人)或我二等親家人(父母,子女)沒有從任何組織收到金錢利益或好處(世俗送禮 人情世故如白包除外),如果有的話,我全家死光光,我被五雷轟頂而死
以上

阿奇
 

Record ID: 1558464648R047   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on May/25/2019    03:18:07 (IP code: X.X.53.63)
 R046:

This was your statement(you can deny it):”Golden is a nice guy”, it is not a complete statement, the right statement is “Golden treats people nicely until Golden finds that he/she is a bad people”.

When a guy push you down because you didn't have a higher degree, I went to tell you that(you can deny it): you did the right choice, if you need a higher degree in the future , you just need spend time for that, and it is easy.

One guy said that he did not understand 量子力學(there was one woman who did not understand 量子力學, but she kept posting something and using the tern “量子力學”), so I offered to teach him 量子力學, I said this in the beginning: 量子力學 was very easy to understand, but people were misguided by the professors/teachers who did not understand and did not want to spend time to understand, I like to think and am very good at “logical thinking”, I spent lots of time to read many books and did lots of thinking, then I understood 量子力學(during undergraduate), I found 量子力學 was easy to understand if 量子力學 was taught by the teacher who really understood 量子力學.

You said that(you can deny it): you felt insecure, so you kept changing your name).

These are what you said and how I replied in R017 and R018 of “I lost two friends in 2017
http://www.1949er.org/chat/index.php?read+1515373400

回信 發言人:穆卡圖, on Jan/09/2018 23:22:22 (IP code: X.X.123.80)

你能有這樣志同道合的好朋友,我是很羨慕的,我的最好朋友都是一起長大的,但他們都是國民黨的
我也不知道為什麼,我也曾檢討自己是不是過於反骨,但我就是無法認同國民黨一直撒謊而能執政,
因此到最後都是不歡而散,我的朋友們也不是沒受教育,人也都正直,但他們就是相信國民黨那一套,
所以能失去可信任又有相同信念的朋友真的是非常可惜


Record ID: 1515373400R016 From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jan/10/2018 07:50:49 (IP code: X.X.46.31)

穆卡圖:

"但我就是無法認同國民黨一直撒謊".
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Same here, I could not stand 國民黨 “brainwashing education” which was one of the reasons I left Taiwan to come to US for graduate school.

Friendship is the bridge between people, a good friendship is that you cross the bridge to stand on your friend's side to consider of him/her, not expect your friends cross the bridge to do what you want them to do for you (this type of people called selfish, their first priority is their own benefit, this kind of friendship/bridge can be broken easily, the type 3 case shown above is in this category, so I don't take him/his families as friend)

That is my definition of good friendship, so even I don't like 國民黨 and communists' 黨, I have many friends who are 國民黨員; Chinese from China, even I strongly support Taiwan, I don't like many people of pro-Taiwan camp, I will not take them as friends.

When I meditate to get the clear images of my friends/families including dead people, I feel wonderful, it is one of my sources of happiness.


Record ID: 1515373400R017 From: 美國




If you draw a line and put the most selfish people who only consider their own benefits(金錢利益或好處) on one end of the line, I am on the other end.

Whatever happens to Taiwan will not affect me at all. I will not move back to Taiwan , I may not even visit Taiwan forever(but my wife may), there is only one reason I support Taiwan: she is my mother country.

We Taiwanese American need pay and/or spend time to support/help Taiwan, why you think the other way around? Those selfish people went to Taiwan to do power struggle to get benefits/power/ 金錢利益或好處/... (郭倍宏 ia an example), but they are not Taiwanese American any more.

If you think that you are not brainwashed(you still have judgement), take these tests:

Test 1:

If you have money, you want to hire people who can brainwash Taiwanese, Whom will you hire?

1. Who can write/type articles which can make people hate Taiwan's Government in Chinese,.
2. Who can't type/write Chinese in internet.

Test 2:

If you want to brainwash Taiwanese, Where do you send your employees to?

1. The sites which have many visitors (hundreds of thousands) a day.
2. 外獨會意見交流, there are only a few hundred visitors(real people) a day, and nobody can convince anybody else there.

After your tests, I have some information for you:

There are many paid visitors to visit this forum every day(but they don't show up), they are:
1. internet police officers or similar.
2. From different political parties.
3. People who control robot to click topics, go to the bottom, “力挺其邁!"花媽"陳菊堅強回應吳敦義"母豬說" 台下支持者不捨落淚”, there is at least one robot clicks that topic at least 35 times(sometime the number went up to more than 90 , maybe more robots come in) a day.
4.others

You may ask 挖地雷 to conform the above information.


 

Record ID: 1558464648R048   From: 美國

回信 發言人:youhan, on May/25/2019    09:34:15 (IP code: X.X.123.35)
 This was your statement(you can deny it):”Golden is a nice guy”, it is not a complete statement, the right statement is “Golden treats people nicely until Golden finds that he/she is a bad people”.
這句話,我英文已經沒那麼好可暸解你在指什麽
When a guy push you down because you didn't have a higher degree, I went to tell you that(you can deny it): you did the right choice, if you need a higher degree in the future , you just need spend time for that, and it is easy.
這不是我一直重覆說了,我對量子力學沒興趣,我對脫離現實的學問沒興趣,世間的學問那麼多,我為什麽要浪費時間在我沒興趣的的學問上,量子力學只適用於微觀世界,脫離現實太多,我一點興趣也沒有,我記得我也說過我一位物理博士親戚對我說你能把巨觀世界的物理學能搞懂就很好了,量子力學沒什麽必要,現在的狀況是我連我最有興趣的電子學我都沒時間去看,何況我沒興趣的量子力學,就像你沒事醜化我被人洗腦,我還要花時間寫這麽長的廢文來解釋
 

Record ID: 1558464648R049   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:youhan, on May/25/2019    09:41:59 (IP code: X.X.123.35)
 You said that(you can deny it): you felt insecure, so you kept changing your name).
我不是說了,換網名只是沒趣,跟不安全感有什麽關係

穆卡圖,名模大間諜裡,模特經紀公司老闆
支那國王,按讚啦封的
支鳥太冷,諷刺鬼島太郎
 

Record ID: 1558464648R050   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:youhan, on May/25/2019    09:57:08 (IP code: X.X.123.35)
 Friendship is the bridge between people, a good friendship is that you cross the bridge to stand on your friend's side to consider of him/her, not expect your friends cross the bridge to do what you want them to do for you (this type of people called selfish, their first priority is their own benefit, this kind of friendship/bridge can be broken easily, the type 3 case shown above is in this category, so I don't take him/his families as friend)

That is my definition of good friendship, so even I don't like 國民黨 and communists' 黨, I have many friends who are 國民黨員; Chinese from China, even I strongly support Taiwan, I don't like many people of pro-Taiwan camp, I will not take them as friends.

When I meditate to get the clear images of my friends/families including dead people, I feel wonderful, it is one of my sources of happiness.

你不肯發誓你跟菜巴婆沒有利益關係又醜化我被人洗腦,你在我心中已沒有任何信用,你的人生觀或人生過程我沒興趣知道,想重建你在我心目中的信用,先對你醜化我被洗腦做出道歉和發誓再說,不過我得事先聲明,就算你做了,也不見得會
重拾友誼,友誼需要長時間建立而且破壞很容易,我沒那個時間
 

Record ID: 1558464648R051   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:youhan, on May/25/2019    10:10:58 (IP code: X.X.123.35)
 If you draw a line and put the most selfish people who only consider their own benefits(金錢利益或好處) on one end of the line, I am on the other end.

Whatever happens to Taiwan will not affect me at all. I will not move back to Taiwan , I may not even visit Taiwan forever(but my wife may), there is only one reason I support Taiwan: she is my mother country.

We Taiwanese American need pay and/or spend time to support/help Taiwan, why you think the other way around? Those selfish people went to Taiwan to do power struggle to get benefits/power/ 金錢利益或好處/... (郭倍宏 ia an example), but they are not Taiwanese American any more.

If you think that you are not brainwashed(you still have judgement), take these tests:

Test 1:

If you have money, you want to hire people who can brainwash Taiwanese, Whom will you hire?

1. Who can write/type articles which can make people hate Taiwan's Government in Chinese,.
2. Who can't type/write Chinese in internet.

Test 2:

If you want to brainwash Taiwanese, Where do you send your employees to?

1. The sites which have many visitors (hundreds of thousands) a day.
2. 外獨會意見交流, there are only a few hundred visitors(real people) a day, and nobody can convince anybody else there.

After your tests, I have some information for you:

這種test一點都沒什麼邏輯,這外獨據我觀察就有好幾個黨工或網軍,或公關公司,只是我沒確切證據,不能說網站流量少就不會有黨工,網軍或公關公司的人
更何況外獨五毛這麽多,需要一些人來對抗也是必要
不能寫中文貼文就不能當黨工,網軍,或公關公司的人嗎?未必,就像你常常貼一些民進黨的報紙宣傳不就發揮功用了,況且一個懂量子力學而且是海外台僑可加重權威感

今天暫時回覆到此,有事,有空再回
 

Record ID: 1558464648R052   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Golden, on May/25/2019    14:16:27 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 Continuing from R044

Brainwashing makes the victims to believe “black is white, truth is false”,
The brainwashed products may have some side effects:

1. Have hallucination: imaging something which can not exist.
2. Lost partial memory including something is danger.
3. Have selective blindness: don't see something they don't want to see.
4. Be insecure: need change name/address/… frequently.
5. Getting angry easily.
6. Very defensive
7. Very sensitive
8. Have no good judgement
9. Others
 

Record ID: 1558464648R053   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on May/26/2019    08:12:03 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 Why I have many good friends?
Two major reasons:
1. I treat people nicely until I find that he/she is a bad people”.
2. I care of my friends, this is how I define a good friendship:”Friendship is the bridge between people, a good friendship is that you cross the bridge to stand on your friend's side to consider of him/her, not expect your friends cross the bridge to do what you want them to do for you (this type of people called selfish, their first priority is their own benefit, this kind of friendship/bridge can be broken easily.

Why some people don't have friends, because
1. They are very defensive, they make a friend just because they think that they can get benefits from that new friend.
2. They are selfish, they only think of themselves, they want friends to meet whatever they think/want/…
3. Others
 

Record ID: 1558464648R054   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on May/27/2019    10:19:16 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 "I treat people nicely until I find that he/she is a bad people"
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“I treat people nicely”
I don't tell them that they are stupid, instead, I encourage them, guide them to think it properly.

“ until I find that he/she is a bad people”
Then, I tell them(and prove it to them) that they are idiots.
 

Record ID: 1558464648R055   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jun/03/2019    07:54:08 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 How do we catch people lie?
I use my judgement and observation (I am very good at doing that).

Some people use lie detector.

Some people don't know how, so they ask the suspect to swear, those people believe that “Lightning will kill the liar who swears”, some of those people were brainwashed to believe “反攻大陸”.
 

Record ID: 1558464648R056   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jun/09/2019    17:21:33 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 Some people were brainwashed to believe 中國國民黨, now they claim that they are anti-中國國民黨, but they act and think like 中國國民黨.  

Record ID: 1558464648R057   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jun/15/2019    16:55:00 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 A brainwashed people have these characteristics:

1. They can be brainwashed again easily.
2. others.
 

Record ID: 1558464648R058   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jun/22/2019    07:59:12 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
  A brainwashed people have these characteristics:

1. They can be brainwashed again easily.
2. They don't know what are the problems, so they can't solve the problem.
3. Other
 

Record ID: 1558464648R059   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jun/28/2019    16:59:24 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 A brainwashed people have these characteristics:

1. They can be brainwashed again easily.
2. They don't know what are the problems, so they can't solve the problem.
3. They may set up their goals, but those goals can't be achieved (“反攻大陸” ia a good example).
4. Others.
 

Record ID: 1558464648R060   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jul/04/2019    16:40:51 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 A brainwashed people have these characteristics:

1. They can be brainwashed again easily.
2. They don't know what are the problems, so they can't solve the problem.
3. They may set up their goals, but those goals can't be achieved (“反攻大陸” ia a good example).
4. They are able to be bought easily with small amount of money/benefit.
5. Others.
 

Record ID: 1558464648R061   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jul/10/2019    22:45:31 (IP code: X.X.53.63)
 A brainwashed people have these characteristics:

1. They can be brainwashed again easily.
2. They don't know what are the problems, so they can't solve the problem.
3. They may set up their goals, but those goals can't be achieved (“反攻大陸” ia a good example).
4. They are able to be bought easily with small amount of money/benefit.
5. They don't believe that some people can't be bought.
6. Others
 

Record ID: 1558464648R062   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jul/18/2019    06:57:48 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
  A brainwashed people have these characteristics:

1. They can be brainwashed again easily.
2. They don't know what are the problems, so they can't solve the problem.
3. They may set up their goals, but those goals can't be achieved (“反攻大陸” ia a good example).
4. They are able to be bought easily with small amount of money/benefit.
5. They don't believe that some people can't be bought.
6. They are inconsistent. They change their mind easily.
7.others
 

Record ID: 1558464648R063   From: 美國

回信 發言人:zzz, on Jul/18/2019    08:47:46 (IP code: X.X.87.133)
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Record ID: 1558464648R064   From: 泰國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jul/24/2019    17:03:46 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
  A brainwashed people have these characteristics:

1. They can be brainwashed again easily.
2. They don't know what are the problems, so they can't solve the problem.
3. They may set up their goals, but those goals can't be achieved (“反攻大陸” ia a good example).
4. They are able to be bought easily with small amount of money/benefit.
5. They don't believe that some people can't be bought.
6. They are inconsistent. They change their mind easily.
7. They become fans of some politicians easily.
8. others
 

Record ID: 1558464648R065   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jul/30/2019    22:31:25 (IP code: X.X.53.63)
 A brainwashed people have these characteristics:

1. They can be brainwashed again easily.
2. They don't know what are the problems, so they can't solve the problem.
3. They may set up their goals, but those goals can't be achieved (“反攻大陸” ia a good example).
4. They are able to be bought easily with small amount of money/benefit.
5. They don't believe that some people can't be bought.
6. They are inconsistent. They change their mind easily.
7. They become fans of some politicians easily.
8. Like to 睜眼說瞎話.
9. Others.
 

Record ID: 1558464648R066   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Aug/06/2019    03:46:08 (IP code: X.X.53.63)
 A brainwashed people have these characteristics:

1. They can be brainwashed again easily.
2. They don't know what are the problems, so they can't solve the problem.
3. They may set up their goals, but those goals can't be achieved (“反攻大陸” ia a good example).
4. They are able to be bought easily with small amount of money/benefit.
5. They don't believe that some people can't be bought.
6. They are inconsistent. They change their mind easily.
7. They become fans of some politicians easily.
8. Like to 睜眼說瞎話.
9. Live in the past (for example: Taiwan is an independent country, but some 中國派 still believe ROC owns 中國大陸 and some 台灣派 still shout 台灣獨立.
10. Others.
 

Record ID: 1558464648R067   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Aug/12/2019    22:07:50 (IP code: X.X.53.63)
 What kind of people are brainwashed easily (or easier than other people):
1. Emotional people (getting angry quickly, but they are not easy to cool down to think.)
2.Others
 

Record ID: 1558464648R068   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Aug/19/2019    00:05:01 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 What kind of people are brainwashed easily (or easier than other people):
1. Emotional people (getting angry quickly, but they are not easy to cool down to think.)
2.Who likes to memorize textbooks, but don’t want to understand those subjects.
3. Others
 

Record ID: 1558464648R069   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Aug/24/2019    16:55:18 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 What kind of people are brainwashed easily (or easier than other people):
1. Emotional people (getting angry quickly, but they are not easy to cool down to think.)
2.Who likes to memorize textbooks, but don’t want to understand those subjects.
3. Who are extremists of political or religious views.
4. Others
 

Record ID: 1558464648R070   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Aug/30/2019    16:42:15 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
  What kind of people are brainwashed easily (or easier than other people):
1. Emotional people (getting angry quickly, but they are not easy to cool down to think.)
2.Who likes to memorize textbooks, but don’t want to understand those subjects.
3. Who are extremists of political or religious views.
4. Who have no confidence and/or feel insecure with themselves.
5.Others
 

Record ID: 1558464648R071   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Sep/05/2019    17:43:24 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 What kind of people are brainwashed easily (or easier than other people):
1. Emotional people (getting angry quickly, but they are not easy to cool down to think.)
2.Who likes to memorize textbooks, but don’t want to understand those subjects.
3. Who are extremists of political or religious views.
4. Who have no confidence and/or feel insecure with themselves.
5.Who believe the authorities must be right.
6. Others
 

Record ID: 1558464648R072   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Sep/11/2019    17:24:32 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 What kind of people are brainwashed easily (or easier than other people):
1. Emotional people (getting angry quickly, but they are not easy to cool down to think.)
2.Who likes to memorize textbooks, but don’t want to understand those subjects.
3. Who are extremists of political or religious views.
4. Who have no confidence and/or feel insecure with themselves.
5.Who believe the authorities must be right.
6. Who believe if one took some courses, he understood those subjects.
7.Others
 

Record ID: 1558464648R073   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Sep/18/2019    11:10:31 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 What kind of people are brainwashed easily (or easier than other people):
1. Emotional people (getting angry quickly, but they are not easy to cool down to think.)
2.Who likes to memorize textbooks, but don’t want to understand those subjects.
3. Who are extremists of political or religious views.
4. Who have no confidence and/or feel insecure with themselves.
5.Who believe the authorities must be right.
6. Who believe if one took some courses, he understood those subjects.
7. Who believe reading book=understanding book.
8. Others
 

Record ID: 1558464648R074   From: 美國

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