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初選民調,賴清德堅持藍綠一對一,沒承諾不選

發言人:阿奇, on May/22/2019    02:50:48 (IP code: X.X.50.218)
 英德之爭》民進黨總統初選共識未成:賴清德堅持藍綠一對一,蔡英文主張三角督

https://tw.news.yahoo.com/英德之爭-民進黨總統初選共識未成-賴清德堅持藍綠-對-蔡英文主張三角督-165051296.html

納入柯文哲 藍總統初選對比民調採三腳督
https://www.chinatimes.com/realtimenews/20190521003435-260407?chdtv

賴清德堅持藍綠-對- ? 赖清德的堅持?他的堅持,都是不切實際,只是自私的。(小英當然也自私,但至少主張比較務實的).

我當然偏小英,但挑戰者應有不管你怎麽民調我都是赢,才能是"造反"有正當性。將心比心,我如果提拔一位副手,他像赖清德一樣從背後開槍。我會比蔡反應激烈多多了, 一定是乎死好。

笑小英無法軟弱對抗中國,但你却無法無能對抗小英,要我們選你當總統?

沒承諾不選,哭訴媒體,只是讓人看笑話。




 

Record ID: 1558464648   From: 美國

回應貼文太多,中間略過,看全文請按這裡

回信 發言人:Golden, on May/23/2019    04:14:11 (IP code: X.X.53.63)
 阿奇:

Thank you for your compliment, I liked to think since I was in elementary school, I was very good at any subject which required thinking (physics/chemistry/philosophy/logic/problem solving/troubleshooting...etc), but I can only keep "thinking" as my habit (you know that a good scientist is alway poor), I pickup technology very fast(I have already worked in five different jobs in five different fields) to survive, I can do/know many things in many different fields you can't image.(If I have chance I will tell you more about life).

Ignore R037, if I show you what he said about me and you compare those to R039, you will not believe they were/are from the same person.

We Taiwanese American are very proud of your niece.
 

Record ID: 1558464648R040   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on May/23/2019    04:20:40 (IP code: X.X.53.63)
 sorry, compare those(statements) to R037 

Record ID: 1558464648R041   From: 美國

回信 發言人:youhan, on May/23/2019    12:25:27 (IP code: X.X.123.35)
 哈哈,我支那國王(穆卡圖)明人不做暗事,開大門走大路,不怕檢驗,阿奇,如果你真的不是網軍的話,我強烈建議你蒐尋有關我跟這位綠共的對話,你也會發現綠共先生以前對我說的和現在對我說的,竟是同一個人,你可以叫這位綠共先生儘量貼上來

這就是我對你說的,原本我以為這些人是一起為台灣打拼的同志,在北市提名人選後就發現這些人有問題,真相留待你去發掘

其實更快的方法是發誓,你可以叫這位綠共先生發誓他沒有從菜英文有關組織收到好處(一些世俗送禮,人情世故除外)
,你要我相信你不是網軍也是同樣發誓,我以身作則,

神明,媽祖在上,我(youhan帳號使用人)或我二等親家人(父母,子女)沒有從任何組織收到金錢利益或好處(世俗送禮 人情世故如白包除外),如果有的話,我全家死光光,我被五雷轟頂而死
以上
我上外獨,以前是一股熱誠,現在只是好完,看看一些人前言不對後語,在那拼命補網的窘態,有時看能不能吸收到一點知識
 

Record ID: 1558464648R042   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:youhan, on May/23/2019    12:27:33 (IP code: X.X.123.35)
 更正,好玩 

Record ID: 1558464648R043   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Golden, on May/23/2019    21:23:16 (IP code: X.X.53.63)
 Brainwashing makes the victims to believe “black is white, truth is false”,
The brainwashed products may have some side effects:

1. Have hallucination: imaging something which can not exist.
2. Lost partial memory including something is danger.
3. Have selective blindness: don't see something they don't want to see.
4. Be insecure: need change name/address/… frequently.
5. Others.
 

Record ID: 1558464648R044   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on May/24/2019    11:08:28 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 Examples of 2. Lost partial memory including something is danger:

R024 of “外獨會意見交流”存在的目的是什麼?
http://www.1949er.org/chat/index.php?read+1515634365

回信 發言人:支那國王, on Jan/11/2018 17:07:06 (IP code: X.X.123.80)

哈.哈,PLAN,早跟你講我是不敢挑戰Golden的,Goden老奸巨猾,挖了個陷阱給你跳,你真的跳了


Record ID: 1515634365R024 From: 台灣



And

穆卡圖:Golden,你不用跟PLAN浪費時間啦,PLAN是連基本高中物理測不準原理uncertainty principle都能隨便亂扯的人.

穆卡圖:PLAN,我也很佩服你常識很豐富,但你真的是惹錯人了,我是不敢挑戰Golden的,我也勸你不要自取其辱,不然要不要和我比較一下電子學.

 

Record ID: 1558464648R045   From: 美國

回信 發言人:youhan, on May/24/2019    19:41:40 (IP code: X.X.123.35)
 這有什麽,綠共先生,在北市長提名之前,還沒有拆穿你們這些被菜巴婆收買的菜奴,那時認為你是一起為台灣奮鬥的伙伴,伙伴之間我是不會計較誰優誰劣的,我也說過老沈當然勝過我,志同道合的話,叫你老大也可以,話說回來,世界上比我厲害的人多的是,我那裡會在乎什麽強弱,沒啥意義
你真的有厲害到危險嗎?早說過我對量子力學沒什麼興趣,也沒學過,除非你貼文都貼量子力學,或什麽高能物理之類的,我僅有大學畢業,自然不會傻得去挑戰你,但其他方面,你就等著看吧

再說,學了量子力學就以為高人一等可以目空一切嗎?沒了人格,就算你是愛因斯坦再世又有何用,除了金錢利益,誰會理你,你就繼續孤芳自賞,像你前面第四點暗示我被人洗腦,像你這樣只會拿斷章取義的貼文意圖醜化意見不同的人,只會讓我愈來愈鄙視你

像你前文第4點以name暗指網名來說我被人洗腦,我取網名多是喜劇電影主角之名,換網名只是同個角色久了就沒什麽趣味,跟不安全感根本扯不上邊,我昨天就看到了,我只是不想對號入座,又沒什麽時間寫回文,認為中立網友會自行判斷,又覺得你耍這種不入流的手段,懶得理你而已
想要別人信服你,先發誓你和菜巴婆之間沒有利益關係吧,不然別人只會認為你只是為自己的利益說話 那裡是為了台灣,為了自由公平正義
 

Record ID: 1558464648R046   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:阿奇, on May/25/2019    01:58:59 (IP code: X.X.50.218)
 r046,

神明,媽祖在上,我(阿奇帳號使用人)或我二等親家人(父母,子女)沒有從任何組織收到金錢利益或好處(世俗送禮 人情世故如白包除外),如果有的話,我全家死光光,我被五雷轟頂而死
以上

阿奇
 

Record ID: 1558464648R047   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on May/25/2019    03:18:07 (IP code: X.X.53.63)
 R046:

This was your statement(you can deny it):”Golden is a nice guy”, it is not a complete statement, the right statement is “Golden treats people nicely until Golden finds that he/she is a bad people”.

When a guy push you down because you didn't have a higher degree, I went to tell you that(you can deny it): you did the right choice, if you need a higher degree in the future , you just need spend time for that, and it is easy.

One guy said that he did not understand 量子力學(there was one woman who did not understand 量子力學, but she kept posting something and using the tern “量子力學”), so I offered to teach him 量子力學, I said this in the beginning: 量子力學 was very easy to understand, but people were misguided by the professors/teachers who did not understand and did not want to spend time to understand, I like to think and am very good at “logical thinking”, I spent lots of time to read many books and did lots of thinking, then I understood 量子力學(during undergraduate), I found 量子力學 was easy to understand if 量子力學 was taught by the teacher who really understood 量子力學.

You said that(you can deny it): you felt insecure, so you kept changing your name).

These are what you said and how I replied in R017 and R018 of “I lost two friends in 2017
http://www.1949er.org/chat/index.php?read+1515373400

回信 發言人:穆卡圖, on Jan/09/2018 23:22:22 (IP code: X.X.123.80)

你能有這樣志同道合的好朋友,我是很羨慕的,我的最好朋友都是一起長大的,但他們都是國民黨的
我也不知道為什麼,我也曾檢討自己是不是過於反骨,但我就是無法認同國民黨一直撒謊而能執政,
因此到最後都是不歡而散,我的朋友們也不是沒受教育,人也都正直,但他們就是相信國民黨那一套,
所以能失去可信任又有相同信念的朋友真的是非常可惜


Record ID: 1515373400R016 From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jan/10/2018 07:50:49 (IP code: X.X.46.31)

穆卡圖:

"但我就是無法認同國民黨一直撒謊".
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Same here, I could not stand 國民黨 “brainwashing education” which was one of the reasons I left Taiwan to come to US for graduate school.

Friendship is the bridge between people, a good friendship is that you cross the bridge to stand on your friend's side to consider of him/her, not expect your friends cross the bridge to do what you want them to do for you (this type of people called selfish, their first priority is their own benefit, this kind of friendship/bridge can be broken easily, the type 3 case shown above is in this category, so I don't take him/his families as friend)

That is my definition of good friendship, so even I don't like 國民黨 and communists' 黨, I have many friends who are 國民黨員; Chinese from China, even I strongly support Taiwan, I don't like many people of pro-Taiwan camp, I will not take them as friends.

When I meditate to get the clear images of my friends/families including dead people, I feel wonderful, it is one of my sources of happiness.


Record ID: 1515373400R017 From: 美國




If you draw a line and put the most selfish people who only consider their own benefits(金錢利益或好處) on one end of the line, I am on the other end.

Whatever happens to Taiwan will not affect me at all. I will not move back to Taiwan , I may not even visit Taiwan forever(but my wife may), there is only one reason I support Taiwan: she is my mother country.

We Taiwanese American need pay and/or spend time to support/help Taiwan, why you think the other way around? Those selfish people went to Taiwan to do power struggle to get benefits/power/ 金錢利益或好處/... (郭倍宏 ia an example), but they are not Taiwanese American any more.

If you think that you are not brainwashed(you still have judgement), take these tests:

Test 1:

If you have money, you want to hire people who can brainwash Taiwanese, Whom will you hire?

1. Who can write/type articles which can make people hate Taiwan's Government in Chinese,.
2. Who can't type/write Chinese in internet.

Test 2:

If you want to brainwash Taiwanese, Where do you send your employees to?

1. The sites which have many visitors (hundreds of thousands) a day.
2. 外獨會意見交流, there are only a few hundred visitors(real people) a day, and nobody can convince anybody else there.

After your tests, I have some information for you:

There are many paid visitors to visit this forum every day(but they don't show up), they are:
1. internet police officers or similar.
2. From different political parties.
3. People who control robot to click topics, go to the bottom, “力挺其邁!"花媽"陳菊堅強回應吳敦義"母豬說" 台下支持者不捨落淚”, there is at least one robot clicks that topic at least 35 times(sometime the number went up to more than 90 , maybe more robots come in) a day.
4.others

You may ask 挖地雷 to conform the above information.


 

Record ID: 1558464648R048   From: 美國

回信 發言人:youhan, on May/25/2019    09:34:15 (IP code: X.X.123.35)
 This was your statement(you can deny it):”Golden is a nice guy”, it is not a complete statement, the right statement is “Golden treats people nicely until Golden finds that he/she is a bad people”.
這句話,我英文已經沒那麼好可暸解你在指什麽
When a guy push you down because you didn't have a higher degree, I went to tell you that(you can deny it): you did the right choice, if you need a higher degree in the future , you just need spend time for that, and it is easy.
這不是我一直重覆說了,我對量子力學沒興趣,我對脫離現實的學問沒興趣,世間的學問那麼多,我為什麽要浪費時間在我沒興趣的的學問上,量子力學只適用於微觀世界,脫離現實太多,我一點興趣也沒有,我記得我也說過我一位物理博士親戚對我說你能把巨觀世界的物理學能搞懂就很好了,量子力學沒什麽必要,現在的狀況是我連我最有興趣的電子學我都沒時間去看,何況我沒興趣的量子力學,就像你沒事醜化我被人洗腦,我還要花時間寫這麽長的廢文來解釋
 

Record ID: 1558464648R049   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:youhan, on May/25/2019    09:41:59 (IP code: X.X.123.35)
 You said that(you can deny it): you felt insecure, so you kept changing your name).
我不是說了,換網名只是沒趣,跟不安全感有什麽關係

穆卡圖,名模大間諜裡,模特經紀公司老闆
支那國王,按讚啦封的
支鳥太冷,諷刺鬼島太郎
 

Record ID: 1558464648R050   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:youhan, on May/25/2019    09:57:08 (IP code: X.X.123.35)
 Friendship is the bridge between people, a good friendship is that you cross the bridge to stand on your friend's side to consider of him/her, not expect your friends cross the bridge to do what you want them to do for you (this type of people called selfish, their first priority is their own benefit, this kind of friendship/bridge can be broken easily, the type 3 case shown above is in this category, so I don't take him/his families as friend)

That is my definition of good friendship, so even I don't like 國民黨 and communists' 黨, I have many friends who are 國民黨員; Chinese from China, even I strongly support Taiwan, I don't like many people of pro-Taiwan camp, I will not take them as friends.

When I meditate to get the clear images of my friends/families including dead people, I feel wonderful, it is one of my sources of happiness.

你不肯發誓你跟菜巴婆沒有利益關係又醜化我被人洗腦,你在我心中已沒有任何信用,你的人生觀或人生過程我沒興趣知道,想重建你在我心目中的信用,先對你醜化我被洗腦做出道歉和發誓再說,不過我得事先聲明,就算你做了,也不見得會
重拾友誼,友誼需要長時間建立而且破壞很容易,我沒那個時間
 

Record ID: 1558464648R051   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:youhan, on May/25/2019    10:10:58 (IP code: X.X.123.35)
 If you draw a line and put the most selfish people who only consider their own benefits(金錢利益或好處) on one end of the line, I am on the other end.

Whatever happens to Taiwan will not affect me at all. I will not move back to Taiwan , I may not even visit Taiwan forever(but my wife may), there is only one reason I support Taiwan: she is my mother country.

We Taiwanese American need pay and/or spend time to support/help Taiwan, why you think the other way around? Those selfish people went to Taiwan to do power struggle to get benefits/power/ 金錢利益或好處/... (郭倍宏 ia an example), but they are not Taiwanese American any more.

If you think that you are not brainwashed(you still have judgement), take these tests:

Test 1:

If you have money, you want to hire people who can brainwash Taiwanese, Whom will you hire?

1. Who can write/type articles which can make people hate Taiwan's Government in Chinese,.
2. Who can't type/write Chinese in internet.

Test 2:

If you want to brainwash Taiwanese, Where do you send your employees to?

1. The sites which have many visitors (hundreds of thousands) a day.
2. 外獨會意見交流, there are only a few hundred visitors(real people) a day, and nobody can convince anybody else there.

After your tests, I have some information for you:

這種test一點都沒什麼邏輯,這外獨據我觀察就有好幾個黨工或網軍,或公關公司,只是我沒確切證據,不能說網站流量少就不會有黨工,網軍或公關公司的人
更何況外獨五毛這麽多,需要一些人來對抗也是必要
不能寫中文貼文就不能當黨工,網軍,或公關公司的人嗎?未必,就像你常常貼一些民進黨的報紙宣傳不就發揮功用了,況且一個懂量子力學而且是海外台僑可加重權威感

今天暫時回覆到此,有事,有空再回
 

Record ID: 1558464648R052   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Golden, on May/25/2019    14:16:27 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 Continuing from R044

Brainwashing makes the victims to believe “black is white, truth is false”,
The brainwashed products may have some side effects:

1. Have hallucination: imaging something which can not exist.
2. Lost partial memory including something is danger.
3. Have selective blindness: don't see something they don't want to see.
4. Be insecure: need change name/address/… frequently.
5. Getting angry easily.
6. Very defensive
7. Very sensitive
8. Have no good judgement
9. Others
 

Record ID: 1558464648R053   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on May/26/2019    08:12:03 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 Why I have many good friends?
Two major reasons:
1. I treat people nicely until I find that he/she is a bad people”.
2. I care of my friends, this is how I define a good friendship:”Friendship is the bridge between people, a good friendship is that you cross the bridge to stand on your friend's side to consider of him/her, not expect your friends cross the bridge to do what you want them to do for you (this type of people called selfish, their first priority is their own benefit, this kind of friendship/bridge can be broken easily.

Why some people don't have friends, because
1. They are very defensive, they make a friend just because they think that they can get benefits from that new friend.
2. They are selfish, they only think of themselves, they want friends to meet whatever they think/want/…
3. Others
 

Record ID: 1558464648R054   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on May/27/2019    10:19:16 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 "I treat people nicely until I find that he/she is a bad people"
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“I treat people nicely”
I don't tell them that they are stupid, instead, I encourage them, guide them to think it properly.

“ until I find that he/she is a bad people”
Then, I tell them(and prove it to them) that they are idiots.
 

Record ID: 1558464648R055   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jun/03/2019    07:54:08 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 How do we catch people lie?
I use my judgement and observation (I am very good at doing that).

Some people use lie detector.

Some people don't know how, so they ask the suspect to swear, those people believe that “Lightning will kill the liar who swears”, some of those people were brainwashed to believe “反攻大陸”.
 

Record ID: 1558464648R056   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jun/09/2019    17:21:33 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 Some people were brainwashed to believe 中國國民黨, now they claim that they are anti-中國國民黨, but they act and think like 中國國民黨.  

Record ID: 1558464648R057   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jun/15/2019    16:55:00 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 A brainwashed people have these characteristics:

1. They can be brainwashed again easily.
2. others.
 

Record ID: 1558464648R058   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Jun/22/2019    07:59:12 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
  A brainwashed people have these characteristics:

1. They can be brainwashed again easily.
2. They don't know what are the problems, so they can't solve the problem.
3. Other
 

Record ID: 1558464648R059   From: 美國

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