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曹長青找不蔡英文博士論文,就說蔡博士學位造假

發言人:., on Jun/11/2019    05:57:49 (IP code: X.X.111.53)
 [轉載自:曹長青臉書]曹長青:蔡英文的博士學位是否造假?
https://www.taiwanus.net/news/press/2019/201906100944361837.htm

 

Record ID: 1560203869   From: 台灣

回應貼文太多,中間略過,看全文請按這裡

回信 發言人:., on Jun/12/2019    12:02:08 (IP code: X.X.37.252)
 Simon,

曹長青就是指蔡英文的博士學位的造假
他的文章也有人貼在這裡呢

你連最起碼的中文閱讀能力都不見了 真悲哀

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Meng-Chang Yao:

我在倫敦大學讀法律博士班時,看過蔡的論文。 他的論文藏在Senate House Library。紙本且只有一本, 因此是限閱。只有專業研究者且有必要,可以提出需求, 圖書館才會出借。論文限定在圖書館館內閱讀。假如你不是倫敦大學的博士生, 你還真的沒有機會讀到她的論文。 倫敦大學的博士論文,封面只有題目以及作者的名字, 再也沒有其他。 因為倫敦大學要求作者必須為論文負全責。 我的博士證書就是以大學委員會名義認證,然後由大學頒授。就跟各位在網路上看到蔡英文的博士證書一模一樣。

https://www.facebook.com/mcy.yao/posts/10213197719327660
 

Record ID: 1560203869R049   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Simon, on Jun/12/2019    12:07:14 (IP code: X.X.154.17)
 R049

那是曹的說法, 現在的證據還沒到那個階段

博士論文是疑點重重

如果博士論文有問題的話, 才能夠進一步下去
如果這時候澄清了, 問題就沒有了

所以,
寫個信要求 LSE 給她一份電子擋 或 紙本論文transcript就好了
做這個事情不是提高曹長青 賀德芬 彭文正他們位階的問題,

做一個總統,這是社會成本 國家團結 也是台灣聲譽的問題。
 

Record ID: 1560203869R050   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Simon, on Jun/12/2019    12:13:06 (IP code: X.X.154.17)
 R049

這位Meng-Chang Yao 說:

*** 我在倫敦大學讀法律博士班時,看過蔡的論文。 他的論文藏在Senate House Library。紙本且只有一本, 因此是限閱。只有專業研究者且有必要,可以提出需求, 圖書館才會出借。***


此說法與 LSE Ruth Orson 所說的 Senate House Library ,IALS都沒有, 顯然衝突矛盾

這應該是線索, 一定有人說謊 或說錯

但是, 當事人蔡總統拿出就結束了, 不是嗎?
 

Record ID: 1560203869R051   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:., on Jun/12/2019    12:13:07 (IP code: X.X.37.252)
 >>4. irrelevant,吳釗燮否認有跟蔡英文合寫論文, 仍然沒有觸及問題的釐清

真的是變成神經病了

曹長青指控吳釗燮替蔡英文寫論文 吳釗燮出面反駁 這樣叫 irrelevant
 

Record ID: 1560203869R052   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Simon, on Jun/12/2019    12:14:59 (IP code: X.X.154.17)
 R052

吳釗燮否認的是,沒有跟蔡英文合寫論文,

跟 找不到博士論文irrelevant

沒錯啊
 

Record ID: 1560203869R053   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:., on Jun/12/2019    12:16:20 (IP code: X.X.37.252)
 你要不要再跟曹長青商量一下

再編個好一點的 謠言 來抹黑
 

Record ID: 1560203869R054   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Simon, on Jun/12/2019    12:25:09 (IP code: X.X.154.17)
 這位Meng-Chang Yao 臉書

完全沒有澄清到

他所謂「我在倫敦大學讀法律博士班時,看過蔡的論文。 他的論文藏在Senate House Library。」

只是自己片面說法

他連結的Proquest 網頁, Citation/Abstract 本身就顯示一個很奇怪的事情,

Abstract not available


二十幾年前就算連戰 宋楚瑜 馬英九那些爛論文 Abstract 也都有啊
 

Record ID: 1560203869R055   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:誰是 the last借閱的, on Jun/12/2019    12:25:35 (IP code: X.X.79.184)
 找不目前唯一自稱論文目擊者的論文
http://etheses.lse.ac.uk/view/creators/index.Y.html
 

Record ID: 1560203869R056   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Simon, on Jun/12/2019    12:25:49 (IP code: X.X.154.17)
 
要粉 就 繼續粉 吧
 

Record ID: 1560203869R057   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Ask the witness, on Jun/12/2019    12:50:56 (IP code: X.X.79.184)
 可以請民報去請教姚教授 facebook 是否他的
http://gd.laws.fju.edu.tw/teacherContent.aspx?id=35
 

Record ID: 1560203869R058   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:機票錢的話..., on Jun/12/2019    12:57:42 (IP code: X.X.79.184)
 或是誰坐一趟飛機去英國? 

Record ID: 1560203869R059   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:one of two ain't bad, on Jun/12/2019    18:51:20 (IP code: X.X.79.184)
 R058 found one
https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?did=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402031
 

Record ID: 1560203869R060   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:two out of three, on Jun/12/2019    18:54:16 (IP code: X.X.79.184)
 如果目擊者facebook 為真﹐表示2003年前神秘論文還在 

Record ID: 1560203869R061   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:coding mystery remains, on Jun/12/2019    18:55:48 (IP code: X.X.79.184)
 2003: uk.bl.ethos.402031  

Record ID: 1560203869R062   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:柯南症, on Jun/12/2019    22:15:59 (IP code: X.X.79.184)
 https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402023
Date of Award: 2002
ISNI: 0000 0001 3572 1252

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402024
Date of Award: 2003

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402025
Date of Award: 2004
ISNI: 0000 0001 3508 6199

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402026
Date of Award: 2000
ISNI: 0000 0001 3411 2746

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402027
Date of Award: 1995
ISNI: 0000 0001 3516 3596

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402028
Date of Award: 1985
ISNI: 0000 0001 3463 9345
(2004-1985= about 20 years delay?)

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402029
Date of Award: 2004
ISNI: 0000 0001 3614 1022
Title: High precision surfaces generation : modelling, simulation and machining verification
Author: Luo, Xichun

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402030
Date of Award: 2000
ISNI: 0000 0004 2667 1232

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402031
Date of Award: 2003
ISNI: 0000 0001 3574 5115

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402032
Date of Award: 2003
ISNI: 0000 0001 3574 5959
***************************
https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.652028
Date of Award: 2010
2014-2010 = 4 years delay?

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.652030
Date of Award: 2011
2014-2011= 3 years delay?

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.652031
Date of Award: 2014
ISNI: 0000 0004 5357 9570

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.652032
Date of Award: 2014
ISNI: 0000 0004 5357 9618

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.652033
Date of Award: 2014
ISNI: 0000 0004 4692 2705

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.652034
Date of Award: 1984
2014-1984 = 30 years delay?

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.652035
Date of Award: 2013
2014-2007 = 1 year delay

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.652036
Date of Award: 2007
2014-2007= 7 years delay?

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.652037
Date of Award: 2014
ISNI: 0000 0004 5357 9642

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.652038
Date of Award: 2014
ISNI: 0000 0004 5357 9685

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.652039
Date of Award: 2013

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.652040
Date of Award: 2013

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.652041
Date of Award: 2014
ISNI: 0000 0004 5357 9714

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.652042
Date of Award: 2013

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.652043
Date of Award: 2014
ISNI: 0000 0004 5357 9730

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.652044
Date of Award: 2014
ISNI: 0000 0004 5357 9781
 

Record ID: 1560203869R063   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:柯南症, on Jun/12/2019    22:29:36 (IP code: X.X.79.184)
 根據我省機票錢的替代方案比較﹐

1. 像那種什麼都不讓人看見的論文也是有的﹐如﹕ https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.
do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402029
不過人家有
ISNI: 0000 0001 3614 1022

2. 像那種1980年代的論文編碼編到2000年代的也是有的﹐如﹕
https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402028
不過人家也有
ISNI: 0000 0001 3463 9345


所以我目前的結論是﹕
那篇神秘論文https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.652034
1984的論文擠在2014才編碼
可能是
1. 有特殊要求﹐要等30年後再重現編碼江湖
2. 2014年是編碼的好年冬
 

Record ID: 1560203869R064   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:., on Jun/14/2019    07:58:30 (IP code: X.X.244.47)
 一直在靠夭 蔡英文的指導教授與摘要 都是空白 論文沒有電子檔 真是可笑

LSELSE從2011-2開始,才開始要求PhD畢業生繳交論文的電子檔;數位化的工作也載明,由圖書館負責,有些是在有需求時才會做。

不只蔡英文在LSE的網頁上 沒列 指導教授與摘要 以下有更多的例子都沒有

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1. LSE從2011-2開始 才開始要求電子檔
http://etheses.lse.ac.uk/faq.html

Q: How are theses added to LSE Theses Online?

A: We currently gain theses to add to the service in a number of ways:

From the 2011-2 session, once a successfully completed PhD is completed, students provide a final copy in electronic form to LSE Theses Online (previously a hard copy was stored in the Library).
By monitoring the British Library's EThOS service, which digitises theses on demand.
By individual authors sending them to us. We then check with LSE's Research Degrees Unit that the thesis has been accepted, then catalogue and add it to the service.
As a result of digitisation work for theses done by the Library.

Q: I am a current PhD student at LSE. Will my thesis be included in LSE Theses Online?

A: From the 2011-2 session once you have successfully completed your PhD, you will be asked to provide a final copy in electronic form (previously a hard copy was stored in the Library) to LSE Theses Online. Full instructions on how to submit your thesis to the repository will be provided to you by the Research Degrees Unit on successful completion of your PhD.


2. 蔡英文與Meng-Chang Yao姚孟昌的指導教授與摘要 都是空白

蔡英文
https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.652034



Meng-Chang Yao 姚孟昌
https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?did=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402031




3. 以下這些論文的指導教授與摘要 也都是空白

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.652036
https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402032
https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402031
https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402027
https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402029
https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402030
https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402026
https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402025
https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402024
 

Record ID: 1560203869R065   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:別魚目混珠, on Jun/14/2019    08:35:50 (IP code: X.X.79.184)
 這些都有ISBI ﹐ 大多甚至可以直接下載。*
這是神秘論文 https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.652034 所沒有的。

最重要的是﹕
那篇神秘論文https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.652034
1984的論文擠在2014才編碼
可能是
1. 有特殊要求﹐要等30年後再重現編碼江湖
2. 2014年是編碼的好年冬

*
https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.652036
Order from print (fee paid by institution).

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402032
ISNI: 0000 0001 3574 5959
Order from print (fee paid by institution).


https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402031
ISNI: 0000 0001 3574 5115

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402027
ISNI: 0000 0001 3516 3596
Order from print. A scan fee will apply.

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402029
ISNI: 0000 0001 3614 1022

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402030
ISNI: 0000 0004 2667 1232
Immediate download. Please login to continue.

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402026
ISNI: 0000 0001 3411 2746
Immediate download. Please login to continue.

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402025
ISNI: 0000 0001 3508 6199
Immediate download. Please login to continue.

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?do=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.402024
Immediate download. Please login to continue.

 

Record ID: 1560203869R066   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:此外, on Jun/14/2019    08:44:58 (IP code: X.X.79.184)
 Unfair trade practices and safeguard actions

如此簡短籠統的標題﹐看來是寫教科書的浩瀚巨著﹐一定有非常了不起的文獻回顧﹐應該現世來讓人聞香﹐就像世紀驚人的民調數字﹐讓舉世看看台灣超辣的統計與實驗設計和報告水準。
 

Record ID: 1560203869R067   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:統計新名詞, on Jun/14/2019    08:59:05 (IP code: X.X.79.184)
 gerrymandering 劫力蠻得利
cherry-picking 撿櫻桃撿角
tsaimandering 撿菜撿角
 

Record ID: 1560203869R068   From: 台灣

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