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自由廣場》《林保華專欄》「八國聯軍」要拉下蔡英文?

發言人:Golden, on Sep/19/2019    09:00:42 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 自由廣場》《林保華專欄》「八國聯軍」要拉下蔡英文?
2019-09-18 05:30
https://talk.ltn.com.tw/article/paper/1318664

九月十六日深夜,先是喜樂島推出呂秀蓮選總統,接著郭台銘宣佈退選。參選總統的混沌人事就此大致底定。
盤點一下各個參選總統及曾經有意或未來有意參選總統的重要政治人物及幕後,幾乎形成「八國聯軍」企圖拉下蔡英文的格局,頗有點怵目驚心。

呂郭兩個決定的最大得益者是國民黨參選人韓國瑜。因為國民黨「團結」了,而民進黨分裂了。進入藍綠對決,拒絕「一中」的蔡英文當然是韓的最主要對手。

郭台銘從參選開始,我就一直覺得不論最後參選或不參選,都是擺脫鴻海的最好機會。鴻海營收一再創新高,股價就是起不來,不就是問題嗎?不只中美貿易戰,鴻海本身未來目標都混亂,何必背這黑鍋?郭指蔡英文「暴政必亡」,即使不選,亡蔡之心也不死。

郭台銘不選,最失望的是柯文哲。本來要藉郭台銘勢力來發展民眾黨,現在只能獨立作戰。一股怨氣沖向蔡英文,加重「戰犯」的罪責。

王金平也要拉下蔡,但他不會口出惡言,政治能量也有限。

綠營的呂副長期有問鼎大位之意,最後一分鐘殺出,應該也是天人交戰,因為幾天前,喜樂島才推歐崇敬出來選總統,旋即卻退出喜樂島,看得人一頭霧水,原來最後呂願參選而逼退歐。

郭彭配本來是喜樂島最初要取代蔡英文的名單,也許因為郭倍宏失去對民視的控制權不利選情而另找他人出征。然而呂副「超越藍綠」之說與喜樂島急獨理念不合,不知要支持者相信哪一個?

至於陳水扁前總統,因為沒有得到蔡英文的無罪特赦,一直陷於躁動中,最近更喊出「不要逼我選總統」。現在他當然不可能出來選總統,卻有可能利用他的影響力拉下蔡英文。如果蔡被拉下,選上的是韓國瑜而不會是呂副。陳前總統又得面臨當年向馬英九寫信求情的窘境。

七位政治人物都要拉下蔡英文,最得意的是沒有露面的中國皇帝習近平。國民黨不得分裂,乃至近來教訓鴻海在中國的企業,自然出自老共的手筆,郭台銘最後乖乖就範。至於老共在綠營搞分化也是必然的,但是介入多深,國安單位有譜嗎?不論有無意識,「八國聯軍」要拉下蔡英文的態勢已成。

「八國聯軍」造成台灣未來的險峻局勢。然而只要台灣兩千三百萬人做到基本上的團結,台灣還是有希望的。還是那兩句話:國民黨要清除買辦意識,出賣台灣的結局可看目前的香港,首富李嘉誠都被批鬥,年輕人則在浴血。本土綠營要改造小農意識,把眼界放寬放遠,不要拘泥在個人權力與利益小圈子裡,要五湖四海、大開大合,為台灣找到新生機。
富有使命感的賴清德,您人在哪裡?
(作者林保華為資深時事評論員,http://blog.pixnet.net/LingFengComment)
 

Record ID: 1568854842   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Sep/19/2019    09:05:09 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 紅色滲透 will try very hard to split 綠營 and to manipulate 青年.

謝志偉 is a smart guy, "台灣就應以「TAIWAN」之名加入國際社會" is one of the the good ways to prevent "紅色滲透 will try very hard to split 綠營".
 

Record ID: 1568854842R001   From: 美國

回信 發言人:摸咪郎, on Sep/19/2019    09:06:11 (IP code: X.X.31.32)
 

不是 八國聯軍
是 八個施琅




摸咪郎
 

Record ID: 1568854842R002   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:森林, on Sep/19/2019    09:14:00 (IP code: X.X.191.191)
 

不是八國聯軍, 是八家將。


 

Record ID: 1568854842R003   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:摸咪郎, on Sep/19/2019    09:19:39 (IP code: X.X.31.32)
 

不是 八國聯軍, 是 八個施琅。







摸咪郎
 

Record ID: 1568854842R004   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:森林, on Sep/19/2019    09:24:39 (IP code: X.X.191.191)
 

不是八國聯軍,是八家將。

 

Record ID: 1568854842R005   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:森林, on Sep/19/2019    09:26:41 (IP code: X.X.191.191)
 

不是八國聯軍,是八家將。

 

Record ID: 1568854842R006   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:NorthStar, on Sep/19/2019    09:26:46 (IP code: X.X.122.242)
 八個狗民黨! 

Record ID: 1568854842R007   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Sep/19/2019    10:25:20 (IP code: X.X.70.204)
 

QD's a quick learner.



 

Record ID: 1568854842R008   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Sep/19/2019    10:27:37 (IP code: X.X.70.204)
 

Red is no good color.

 

Record ID: 1568854842R009   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Sep/19/2019    10:35:50 (IP code: X.X.70.204)
 >紅色滲透 will try very hard to split 綠營 and to manipulate 青年.

Recent developments seem to show that Taiwanese senior people are much easier to get doped and then manipulated.
 

Record ID: 1568854842R010   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Sep/19/2019    11:31:07 (IP code: X.X.70.204)
 

Am I right?

 

Record ID: 1568854842R011   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Sep/19/2019    11:33:22 (IP code: X.X.70.204)
 

Any comment?

 

Record ID: 1568854842R012   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Golden, on Sep/19/2019    13:48:40 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 "Recent developments seem to show that Taiwanese senior people are much easier to get doped and then manipulated."
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No, the target were "Taiwanese senior people who believed 呂秀蓮" this time.

The targets may change to young people or other groups of people with other issues.

The targets have many things in common: can't not think independently, are emotional,...etc.

You may see many smart people who can't be manipulated by 紅色滲透 in this forum, those smart people may be old or young.
 

Record ID: 1568854842R013   From: 美國

回信 發言人:摸咪郎, on Sep/19/2019    14:51:56 (IP code: X.X.31.32)
 Taiwanese senior people are much easier to get doped and then manipulated. = 施琅 = 中國老猴


摸咪郎
 

Record ID: 1568854842R014   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Sep/19/2019    15:02:18 (IP code: X.X.70.204)
 You are right about this

>The targets have many things in common: can't not think independently, are >emotional,...etc.

It may sound counter-intuitive to you but, senior people ARE emotional.
When people get emotional, they act before think properly, independent or not.

>many smart people
I mentioned "doping".
It's how to make senior people less smart, weaken their intelligence, so to talk them into things.

I learn the fact not only on this forum.
It's in fact quite normal in the current Taiwanese society.
Until we are able to deal with aging problem more wisely, we just have to suffer for that for the time being.

I have to go. Maybe some other time.
I figure you don't not quite catch up with what I am saying now.

 

Record ID: 1568854842R015   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Golden, on Sep/19/2019    15:52:13 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 "It may sound counter-intuitive to you but, senior people ARE emotional.
When people get emotional, they act before think properly, independent or not."
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not necessary, I give one good example: myself

I am an emotional guy(since I was young), I get upset very quick when I see something is wrong, but I can think independently(since I was young, I never believe KMT), when I get angry, I remind myself : 1. Anger only hurts myself, it will not hurt my enemy, 2. Anger may hurt my families or my friends. 3. We always make the wrong decision when we are angry. Then I cool down quickly and take the right action.
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"I mentioned "doping".
It's how to make senior people less smart, weaken their intelligence, so to talk them into things."
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You talk about those people who could not think independently since they were young, they never try to improve themselves, they don't use their brains much after they retire, so they get worse .

I am very good at logical thinking since I was young, I was very good at those subjects which required deep thinking when I was a students, when I started to work, I kept learning and thinking more, now my knowledge,capability and thinking skill are much better than I was young.

My point is very simple, those people who want to use their brain to think stay smart (or even smarter), those people who don't want to think stay stupid and become stupider when they get older.
 

Record ID: 1568854842R016   From: 美國

回信 發言人:temo, on Sep/20/2019    10:15:30 (IP code: X.X.70.204)
 Don't twist my words.

Consider probably the only common expereince we have, the night before 11/24 last year's voting day.
 

Record ID: 1568854842R017   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Sep/20/2019    10:34:23 (IP code: X.X.70.204)
 It was really horrible to me.

Remember, at that night, almost everyone for Yau thought Yau'd definitely win.
But as it turned out next day, it's a rock-bottom lose.

I really wasn't conviced that night and tried warning them, as a friend of Green camp (I myself had to stay neutral in that canpaign).

And you know what? After it's all over, no one camp up and 反省這個詭異現象, at least as far as I know.
Did you, GOLDEN? I wasn't aware of anyway.
This is terrible.

We should always keep this failure in mind, and try to learn the lesson dearly.
Don't you think?
 

Record ID: 1568854842R018   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Sep/20/2019    10:40:59 (IP code: X.X.70.204)
 That how doping works.
And I know some masters active on this board.
They did just that exactly at that night, and the night before.
Even now, they try to work this way out.
 

Record ID: 1568854842R019   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:Golden, on Sep/20/2019    13:33:51 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 "And you know what? After it's all over, no one camp up and 反省這個詭異現象, at least as far as I know.
Did you, GOLDEN? I wasn't aware of anyway."
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???? go to read the historical files:

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名曲欣賞~科羅拉多之夜Moonlight on the colorado
發言人:Golden, on Nov/25/2018 09:44:39 (IP code: X.X.46.31) (http://www.1949er.org/chat/index.php?read+1543110279:

Our conversation :
回信 發言人:temo, on Nov/25/2018 10:04:22 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
Morning, Golden. How do you like this election? SHOCKED?

Record ID: 1543110279R004 From: 台灣
回信 發言人:Golden, on Nov/25/2018 10:41:35 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
temo:

It proves that "中國/pro-China 五毛網軍 used 假新聞/假消息 to 攻擊 民進黨 and 幫助(被認為更支持北京和統一的政治人士,而這些人通常屬於國民黨) to brain-wash many Taiwanese" worked very well, it was the main reason of result of the election, they will use the same Technic in the future election.

Brain-washing can let those people (who were brain-washed) to believe that a good guy is a bad guy and a bad guy is a good guy.


Record ID: 1543110279R005 From: 美國
回信 發言人:temo, on Nov/25/2018 11:03:31 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
I understand.
This is really a bad lost, especially my city Taichung, which is also President Tsai's hometown.
Worst, I still can't find any reason to explain. It's just crazy.

Record ID: 1543110279R006 From: 台灣
回信 發言人:temo, on Nov/25/2018 11:05:03 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
(rephrase:)

I understand.

This is really a bad lost, especially my city Taichung, which is also President Tsai's hometown.
Worse, I still can't find any reason to explain.

It's just crazy.

Record ID: 1543110279R007 From: 台灣
回信 發言人:temo, on Nov/25/2018 11:31:29 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
Message from a related GOP officer regarding this election:

《自由亞洲電台》專訪美國國際與戰略研究中心(CSIS)亞洲資深顧問葛來儀,她指出,許多人認為國民黨在2016年就被徹底擊敗,在這次選舉結果中證明是錯誤的觀念;葛來儀認為,倘若國民黨在這次選舉中失利,或許會對習近平構成壓力,轉而令其採取更強硬的立場,不過因為此次勝選,北京對重燃對國民黨的信賴,應不會對台政策有何改變,繼續保持目前的態勢。

葛來儀強調,把民進黨失利就看成是不承認「九二共識」的後果,是嚴重錯誤的,畢竟這是還是屬於地方選舉,低收入、貧富差距、污染等等議題才是選戰焦點,蔡政府也不會因此改變對中國政策,因台灣人大多支持目前的狀況。

在台美關係方面,葛來儀表示,幾乎不會有任何影響,在民主社會中,反對派在中期選舉提升支持度是非常自然的事情,不過在攸關食安問題的公投獲得了通過,可能是一個潛在負面影響,蔡英文政府或許未來在美豬議題上面臨困境,如果這一問題得不到解決,美國恐不會與台灣展開關於貿易協定的談判。

Record ID: 1543110279R008 From: 台灣
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台灣(王明哲/詞曲) - National Taiwan University Chorus
發言人:Golden, on Nov/26/2018 08:13:35 (IP code: X.X.46.31)(http://www.1949er.org/chat/index.php?read+1543191215)
It was not anybody's fault for the result of the election, it was the success of the “中國/pro-China 五毛網軍's brainwashing technique”, 中國五毛網軍 didn't have votes, but they could brainwash those people who have votes (they used 假新聞/假消息 to 攻擊 民進黨 and 幫助(被認為更支持北京和統一的政治人士,而這些人通常屬於國民黨), they will use the same brainwashing technique in the future election.

It is very easy to make a wrong decision or take a wrong action when you are angry, so cool down to listen to your country's songs.


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木村好夫ギター演奏
發言人:Golden, on Nov/27/2018 10:14:06 (IP code: X.X.46.31)(http://www.1949er.org/chat/index.php?read+1543284846)
I thought that 中國/pro-China 五毛網軍 could only make noise, they could not affect the election, I thought that 韓國瑜的選情民調 rose sharply within a few months was a fake 民調, but it turn out to be true.

“韓國瑜的選情民調 rose sharply within a few months “proved that “中國/pro-China 五毛網軍 could affect the result of the election”. 中國/pro-China 五毛網軍 will use the same brainwashing technique in the future election.


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MOSCOW NIGHTS, a beautiful Russian Song
發言人:Golden, on Nov/29/2018 08:40:26 (IP code: X.X.46.31)(http://www.1949er.org/chat/index.php?read+1543452026)

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美國資安業者再認證:中國以網路介入台灣選舉 舉
發言人:Golden, on Nov/30/2018 13:06:15 (IP code: X.X.46.31)(http://www.1949er.org/chat/index.php?read+1543554375)

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Do you want more?
 

Record ID: 1568854842R020   From: 美國

回信 發言人:temo, on Sep/20/2019    19:42:28 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
 I seem to get more than what I asked for here.

I am going to end here.
I still remember the terrible conversation we had in which you spoke for a major doper around, who emerges this couple of days, perhaps pushing Tsai-Lai bit.
Just remember, all politics is local. That's it.

I am actually here to share a book I recently read called "The Wisdom Paradox", by Elkhonon Goldberg.
It basically informs us how to make seniority more productive in an elderly society as a whole.

Enjoy. Peace.


 

Record ID: 1568854842R021   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Sep/20/2019    19:44:53 (IP code: X.X.203.22)
 FYI.
I didn't read your color presentation above. Sorry.
 

Record ID: 1568854842R022   From: 台灣

回信 發言人:temo, on Sep/21/2019    14:14:48 (IP code: X.X.70.204)
 I know you are doing fine, Golden.
I hope you enjoy being around here.
 

Record ID: 1568854842R023   From: 台灣

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