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中華民國台灣總統是拒統還是只拒絕一國兩制?

發言人:大又鳥八, on Oct/18/2019    00:23:01 (IP code: X.X.147.76)
 總統常常表示她拒絕一國兩制,好像沒聽她說過拒絕統一。
這兩者當然有很大的不同。
以男女關係做比喻,女生如果說我就是沒興趣,就是不嫁,那就是沒戲;女生如果不是說不嫁,而是說,月薪十萬我就嫁,那你覺得這是拒絕還是接受男生的追求?
 

Record ID: 1571329381   From: 美國

回信 發言人:回信, on Oct/18/2019    00:44:46 (IP code: X.X.110.226)
 國統綱領已經廢除,中華民國已經不要統一全中國了。
目前礙於種種內外因素,「中華民國台灣」是現況描述,其國家主權有別於中國RPC是確定的。

>總統常常表示她拒絕一國兩制,好像沒聽她說過拒絕統一。
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女生說不嫁給你,也沒說不跟你生小孩。你是在問這個嗎?
 

Record ID: 1571329381R001   From: 美國

回信 發言人:大又鳥八, on Oct/18/2019    00:59:17 (IP code: X.X.13.127)
 中華民國台灣閩南幹真是情何以堪。他當時在外獨這樣講被大家酸的要死,我記得回信兄也酸過他吧?
怎麼你當時沒把這番高論講出來讓大家見識見識?
 

Record ID: 1571329381R002   From: 美國

回信 發言人:大又鳥八, on Oct/18/2019    01:06:21 (IP code: X.X.13.127)
 昨天才跟那個 golden 跟 阿奇講了。在國外如果遇到人自稱是中華民國台灣人的,那他媽的打包票,一定是台支, pro China 的。
你也是住美國的,難道你的經驗不是如此?
現在蔡英文也這樣講,你難道就要換個腦袋了?
 

Record ID: 1571329381R003   From: 美國

回信 發言人:回信, on Oct/18/2019    01:29:19 (IP code: X.X.110.226)
 在國外講外語,要說自己是哪裡來的,都是講Taiwan。
因為講中華民國就有"china",台支講不出口,最多只說自己會講chinese.

說藍營的人不錯,兩黨都一樣爛的,一定是台支。
 

Record ID: 1571329381R004   From: 美國

回信 發言人:阿奇, on Oct/18/2019    02:31:12 (IP code: X.X.50.218)
 個人小意見,

我想現階段的台灣,與其咬文嚼字的在名字上,或說拒絕什麼(這個好像中國有提議的空間?),應該是先相信,確定自己所說的台灣是一個主權獨立的國家。既然是獨立的國家,那不是拒絕統一或拒絕一國两制,而是台灣已是個獨立的國家,没有中國干涉台灣内政的空間!

所以應該是定調,中國提統一是侵犯台灣的主權,提一國两制是吃台灣人豆腐的大笑話!
 

Record ID: 1571329381R005   From: 美國

回信 發言人:阿奇, on Oct/18/2019    02:51:57 (IP code: X.X.50.218)
 請蔡政府發言人學一下中國發言人的調調,

中國所提的一國两制是 [干涉台灣的內政」,「侵犯了台灣的主權」,[嚴重誤判情勢],也[低估了台灣人的智慧],是不可能的!
 

Record ID: 1571329381R006   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Oct/18/2019    04:13:04 (IP code: X.X.53.63)
 大又鳥八:

I have questions for you:

When you ask people from Taiwan, Where are you from? if that person answers: Taiwan.
Do you think this person is 1. Pro-Taiwan 2. Pro-China, 3. can't tell 1 or 2
If that person answers "ROC", do you think that person is 1. Pro-Taiwan. 2. Pro-China 3. can't tell 1 or 2
 

Record ID: 1571329381R007   From: 美國

回信 發言人:大又鳥八, on Oct/18/2019    04:41:43 (IP code: X.X.147.76)
 My experience is that, if the person answers:

— Taiwan: then 3. I will say about 60/40 split.
— ROC only: majority is 2.
— ROC and Taiwan: almost always 2. Many prefers PROC. They are usually the worst.
 

Record ID: 1571329381R008   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Oct/18/2019    05:01:56 (IP code: X.X.53.63)
 大又鳥八:
"ROC only: majority is 2.
— ROC and Taiwan: almost always 2. Many prefers PROC. They are usually the worst."
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I was told that the majority of students who joined "Sun Flower" supported ROC.

I told you before(you used other name) that I didn't care how the people call Taiwan, I call her Taiwan(no one can change that).
 

Record ID: 1571329381R009   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Oct/18/2019    08:47:02 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 大又鳥八:

The majority of the students who joined 太陽花學運 supported ROC.

Your statements of R008:
"—ROC only: majority is 2.( Pro-China)
— ROC and Taiwan: almost always 2. Many prefers PROC. They are usually the worst.>

According to you, The majority of the students who joined 太陽花學運 were Pro-China and/or prefer PROC.
 

Record ID: 1571329381R010   From: 美國

回信 發言人:大又鳥八, on Oct/18/2019    09:12:07 (IP code: X.X.177.143)
 “Support ROC” does not mean they will introduce themselves as such.

I am sure that if you ask them where they are from here in the US, most of them will answer “Taiwan”.

The face that you can't distinguish the differences really surprised me.
 

Record ID: 1571329381R011   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Oct/18/2019    14:43:25 (IP code: X.X.46.31)
 大又鳥八:

You just tell me that 1. what the people say is more important than what they do. 2. "The majority of the students who joined 太陽花學運 supported ROC." was just a simple sentence, it did not mean anything to you.

Besides, I have told you and (your the other name) that I don't care how the people call Taiwan, I call her "Taiwan", and your question:"Golden 阿,你能不能就我的問題簡單的回答一下,你在生活上遇到自稱是中華民國台灣人,到底應該歸類為中派還是台派的啊?就這麼個簡單的問題也講不清楚,是要我們怎麼護台抗中啦" should ask people who live in Taiwan, I don't care whether you want to "護台抗中" or not, I just do what I want to do "supporting Taiwan as I can".
 

Record ID: 1571329381R012   From: 美國

回信 發言人:大又鳥八, on Oct/18/2019    21:41:25 (IP code: X.X.147.104)
 You mean to support ROC , right?

😀
 

Record ID: 1571329381R013   From: 美國

回信 發言人:Golden, on Oct/18/2019    22:17:42 (IP code: X.X.53.63)
 大又鳥八:
"You mean to support ROC , right?"
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I mean I support Taiwan, but I don't care what do you understand.

You spent so much time to convince me to share your hate against ROC, it did not work, but you may
1. Share your hate with many other people in this forum.
2. Help yourself get out from this unnecessary hate(only you can help yourself).
3.Realize that the solution of Taiwan's problem is in US not in Taiwan (go to read A good news for people who signed 正式承認台灣是國家(白宮請願網站連署)
 

Record ID: 1571329381R014   From: 美國

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